Aspies For Freedom

I don't have TV because I'm not interested enough, but also to be able to spend time to other things (like typing this post). I have a cell phone because my job requires it, but in private time I use it only in case of an emergency. An ipod, I've seen it in shops but hardly know what it is. A DVD player is part of my computer, but I've never used it.

I'm 42. Like you, I also like to go deep with people in conversations, but am most of the time rather silent. Being of the sp variant, and a 5, when I produce a few words that's already a lot. So now I run out of words... and I'm going to do the rdos test.
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Yes, I can be called "older" or "oldie" now. Haven't thought that way before.
There will be a difference between a person's physical age and mental age. Some adults seem to have a mental age lower than their physical age. And some people seem to have a mental age larger than their physical age. Maturity has to do more with mental age than physical age.

Possibly the rdos quiz/test can be improved further, but maybe the concepts of "aspies" and "enneatypes" are too simple to describe this complex reality.

Energeia, would you give me some advice? I have very very few "real" contacts with people so I'm asking this question to you, see that as a compliment. Feel free not to respond.

My problem is at my work. My boss, a 9w1, and me agree that I have a narrow focus. He sees that as negative. He is putting a lot of pressure on me to come up with small projects outside my work area and to complete them. I think his unconscious 1 wing is trying to improve or correct or adapt me. My boss and I agree that my performance in this job is excellent and I want to keep this job. If I don't do these small projects (I will have to generate/create them myself) then I have a serious conflict with my boss. But for doing such projects I'm absolutely unmotivated. What would you do? Have you been in a comparible situation?

Thanks!

I hope you don't mind I've read a few of your posts to see what your type is. There's a big chance you're a 7. You have humour and produce many posts, and you like fun. You bend the rules (speeding limits for driving) (all type 7). Be aware that type 7 is linked to 5, under safe conditions, and to 1, under stress. You make few typing errors, and correct other's typing errors and seem to be in control of yourself (type 1). You are interested in science (type 5). I honestly hope you don't mind me writing such personal things about you. The following may not sound very scientifically to you. How do you laugh? 7s laugh a lot, with sound, in a non-agressive way.

Thanks very much for your quick and long response. You understand correctly what the problem is, "going out of the comfort zone" are exactly the words my boss uses. Nice to hear I'm not the only one having sometimes arguments with the boss. I'm not giving too much details about my job because the whole world can read this and I don't want to be recognized. The company rules prescribe that also for people with good performances during performance reviews a developmental need has to be identified. The progress in an employee's development is part of a monthly meeting, so he will not forget this. Because of his 1 wing, he fully supports this company policy. If I would say I don't want to develop further, well not at work, that's not in compliance with the company policy. My resistance is already bothering him, he's saying that I'm not very grateful for him trying to help me. But he's destroying me, more or less. He's basically a good guy (9) though. Thanks again. Running out of time now...

Actually, the performance evaluation is annually and the follow up on action items from the evaluation is part of a monthly meeting.

Right, I'll have to keep that in mind and talk to him when he's in "9 mode".

How do you determine people's enneatype? Apparently you have determined your boss' type. I watch the frequency, and the volume and the type of their laughter, and have discovered a strong correlation between ways of laughing and enneatype.

I spent not more than 5 minutes, honestly. The posts I read were just a small random selection. I apologize if my post bothered you.

Maybe an aspie trait in me, seeing patterns.

Wow, fascinating! I don't know whether in English the proverb is the same, but it's something like: people laugh about others, but real wise people can laugh about themselves. It has do with being able to take a distance from themselves. This is a confirmation of what I said in one of my earlier posts: very healthy.
Zen masters can laugh about themselves.

Wings can be +1 or -1 from the main type only.
For example, a 3 can have a 4 wing, a 2 wing or no wing. These are the only possibilities.
See it as a rainbow, where a person can be purely red or a little bit mixed with an adjacent color. But red a little to the greenish side is impossible. At least, that is if green and red are not neighbouring colors in the rainbow, I'm not sure...

Hi, Athlynne. The enneagram can help tremendously to understand yourself and others.

Imagine you enter a room full of people, and what would be your first thought. A person of the self preservation variant would be aware of the temperature, the availability of food etc (well, I do ). A sexual variant would first of all be aware of attractive persons. A social variant would focus more on the hierarchy, on groups. This text is very short, and an over-simplification, but maybe it can help to verify whether the self-preservation variant is correct for you.

Apparently type 5 has a high probability but the wing is uncertain (4 wing, no wing or 6 wing).
5s and 6s prefer thinking. So ask yourself, would I call myself a thinker. 4s prefer feeling.
One of the differences between 4s and 5s is (this is an over-simplification!) that in 5s feeling supports thinking (example: a person loves an idea, a thought, a concept). In 4s it's the other way around, thinking supports feeling (example: a person is analyzing why she has a certain feeling). Doing is repressed, plays a minor role in 4s and 5s. I'm not saying they are inactive or lazy. Doing is just not their primary focus. But actually it is more complex than that.
Too keep this post short: 6s, unlike 4s and 5s, repress thinking, although they are thinkers (this might be confusing). This makes 6s people who are uncertain, who doubt, who can be anxious.

Maybe I try to explain too much in too few words. I hope it is useful.

SEEING. Thinking is a poor substitute for seeing.

In the text below, it stays hard to separate what is 5s in general and what is specific me.

Seeing in an inner direction: insight, in a few occasions even a little insight beyond words. I try to see beyond concepts, try to see existence as it really is, and am many times unsuccessfull in that. To me, the "beyond concepts" thing is 5 although it's probably mentioned nowhere in the enneagram books. In my opinion, a lack of seeing concepts is what makes 5s so similar to aspies. Animals have the same. I'm aware I'm using too few words to make myself clear and what I mean by concepts.

Seeing in an outer direction: watching, observing (people).

Frequently retreat into isolation.

Very high need for privacy.

A feeling I'm alone in this world.

Excessive reading (at this moment this forum keeps me from doing that). Although I'm aware not all 5s read a lot.

Collecting (books).

I lack knowledge. My lack of knowledge sometimes can make daily life difficult.

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Enneatype 5 describes my mind only. I'm not my mind, and I'm not my body. I am consciousness. That's my conclusion from what I've read, and the challenge is to see it as a real fact.

Now, if all of you were still doubting, you now know certain I'm nuts.
Maybe I'm a weird philosopher. Weird: aspie again. By the way, you see all the "maybe"s? That's my 6 wing.

Energeia, what kind of 6 wing do you have? Is your 6 wing  1-ish (feeling supports doing) or 2-ish (doing supports feeling)?

Everybody, what about this:

1. Most aspies are enneagram type fives; not all aspies are fives.

2. There are many similarities between aspies and fives.

3. There are some similarities between aspies and enneatype one.

4. It is more difficult to determine the enneatype of aspies than of NTs.

5. Because of the similarities between aspie traits and 5 traits and 1 traits, many aspies will be wrongly typed to be fives or ones.

6. Because of the similarities between aspies and fives, fives struggle less with aspie traits than aspies with other enneatypes.


I have become convinced I'm a five with (a light form of) aspies.

Everybody: please note that Energeia and me agree that many aspies will be WRONGLY TYPED to be fives or ones. Please keep that in mind when you do an enneagram test to determine your type. I didn't know that when I started this thread.

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Thanks, "work for them" is indeed better than my "struggle less with". It's not exactly the same.

Intellectually I know that that is great, but I still fail often, I do care. I see it not only as a positive trait but also as a growth and a sign of health. I see it as that you have grown further than me (but hey, you've had more time to grow since you're older.)

Energeia, what I, as a 5, have is a longing to understand. The word desire is too weak, I like the word longing better. A longing to understand existence or life or whatever you want to call it. Let's say I'm a seeker. Your signature "I'd like to know what this whole show is all about before it's out" suggests to me, I might misunderstand, that it is meant in a serious way and is meant before death, and that you have that longing to understand too. If you have this then in my opinion that confirms you are a 5 (well, nobody is a five, everbody is unique). I'm curious, have you found out ("what this show is all about")? But maybe your signature was meant insignificantly or as a sort of joke. If my question about this "show" is too personal and private, just ignore this post and don't respond. No problem at all . My guess is this show is not at all about possessions, activities or relationships. It is about being yourself (I haven't thought of that last short sentence myself, I've read it, I'm not that wise, not yet ). I should keep my posts lighter .

Interesting stuff , I have actually never heard about it before .)