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seven Wrote:
brace yourself, becuase i major trouble putting thoughts into words on days like today. heres my attempt to explain.

aspies talk about how they are autistic, and claim they understand me, untill i have a "quiet day" or "off day" or if i get stressed or upset and start speaking oddly. or they get mad at the way i speak as if its on perpus.


Never did that, myself.  Therefore, your universal and unlimited statements are false.

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refusing to acknoledge my meaning over my exact words.


No, YOU refuse to use correct words.

seven Wrote:
aspies understand auties about as well as NTs understand aspies.

everyone talks about how NTs dont understand them, what about how you dont understand aspies?

no one ever seems to notice that.


Are you saying that LFAs best understand other LFAs in a room together?  I'm just curious

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seven Wrote:
aspies understand auties about as well as NTs understand aspies.

everyone talks about how NTs dont understand them, what about how you dont understand aspies?

no one ever seems to notice that.


Are you saying that LFAs best understand other LFAs in a room together?  I'm just curious



Oh, nevermind. I now see where you wrote that. Thank you Smile

I totally agree with Ren Chou. It's not like there are clear borders between NTs and aspies or aspies and autistics, we're just all different and some of us are more different than others. And we just have to get used to that.

Sequoyah Wrote:
It's not like there are clear borders between NTs and aspies or aspies and autistics, we're just all different and some of us are more different than others. And we just have to get used to that.


You could be right.  But I rather like the "It's not a disabled dog, it's a cat" shirts.

Asperger Syndrome is a continuum, as well as Kanner's particular segment of the population.  

Take me, for instance:  I have been diagnosed Aspie.  According to the results of my test, however, I am LFA.  My non-verbal scores were astronomical... those who tested me told me that they had never seen the level of results I had achieved on the non-verbal portions.  However, when it came to the verbal portion (traditionally Aspies do very well on this portion), my scores were through the floor.  The only reason I received the Aspie diagnosis was because of the fact that I was reading and comprehending what I was reading at 2 years of age.

This being said, I experience very similar things to what you were saying: when I get stressed, I begin to fumble word-wise.  If that stress level continues for a prolonged period of time, I get completely non-verbal, and almost non-communicative.  

Not all Aspies are "high-functioning"... this is a misnomer.  I am proof that an Aspie can be lower functioning... my GAF (Global Assessment of Functioning) is a 40/100.  I have never lived by myself, and I have never held down a job longer than 6 months.  (There was one job I had for a year, but got fired because of the social issues... go figure).

Ziyaret Wrote:
You know what folks, I was just thinking of starting a thread about the differences between autism and asperger syndrome but then I saw someone else already did so here's what I have to say. I know all about the autistic spectrum and that AS and autism are supposedly 2 points on the spectrum but despite the diagnostic relationship, they really are NOT the same. I have Aspergers but I DONT consider myself to be an autist and Im bemused at all the aspies who identify themselves with the "autist" label. One of the major differences between the 2 syndromes is the fact that aspies are verbal whereas many autists are not. The few autists who are verbal will only speak if they are spoken to; they dont initiate conversations. I also wonder about the genetic similiarities between autism and asperger syndrome-if AS is caused by a different genetic mechanism but produces a phenotype with similiarities to autism. Moreover, in terms of needs and wants it seems that autists and aspies dont have much in common. Many autists have no desire to interact with people at all or to live independently; in fact quite a few of them are incapable of taking care of themselves at all.


My son is Autistic and never lost his speech.  In fact he had a very limited vocabulary and didn't speak in sentences.  But now 2 years later my son will initiate conversation and in fact likes to interact with other children.  My son at age 5 can go to the bathroom, take a shower, wash his hair and get dressed with little or no assistance.  Where did you get your information from???  I know my son is still very young but what he has done in the past 2 years is incredible and it upsets me very much for you to catagorize "autists" they way you did......  Right now my son is quite the opposite and I beleive will be extremely successful and happy however he chooses to live his life!  Whether its autism, aspergers or whatever everyperson who has it is different just as a NT person. They maybe similar but not the same!!

Ziyaret Wrote:
I am not a mental health professional nor have I seen your son ,but maybe he in fact has asperger syndrome and not autism. I got my information online by looking at the DSM IV and from a conversation with my psychiatrist. Some folks here seem to think that autism and asperger syndrome are basically the same thing which I fimrly disagree with!


Well I read the DSM IV and because of my sons speech delay he cannot be diagnosed with aspergers.  "In contrast to Autistic Disorder, there are no clinically significant delays in language (eg: single words are used by age 2 years, communicative phrases are used by age 3.  Which my son does not fit he actually is HFA.  I do agree that asperger's and autism are different but yet they are similar.  You are very much entitled to your opinion I can respect that.

Seven- you certainly created some debate by creating this forum- and you were proved right in many ways by the responses you have received, though that isn't a good thing. Some here have exposed how they do not have the understanding of the Kanner's vs Asperger's differences (I don't myself, just in case it sounds like I am trying to say I do). What I mean is that you have shown with your forum that persons with Asperger's dx (lol) can be as bigoted as anyone else, and can assume they know all the facts when in truth they know very little.  

I only hope they actually thought about what was written rather than just shutting out opposing viewpoints. I doubt some of them read what you wrote, in truth, as they perform the snap-judgements, nit-picking and stereotyping you pointed to as part of the reason you began this forum.
That said, I have also heard rational voices in here, and while I have contributed naught but commentary/opinion, I enjoyed reading this.

seven Wrote:
essentially, i was kciked out of a group of NTs who invited em to tell them mroe about autism, but threw me out becuase of teh way i talk, they said i "treated people baddly and they got many many complaints about my bluntness"  but refused to be specific, and said "we dont believe you are autistic, either, just a rude little girl who wants attention."

so i asked soem aspies who i knew essentally hated me, why tehy did, and they said teh same thing. they said they dont believe i am autistic becuase i dont act like them, them being aspies,  and they hat eteh way i word things and feelliek i attack them, and tehy say i sound angery whcih is odd becuase i am usually like a robot (not emotional at all- when i am emotional i sound like a 5 year old though)

and i talked to another girl who had the same communication problems. she gave em advice but it really wasnt enough to make me able to talk like normal people. i have basically realized, no matter how hard i try, and id o try my best, i will always be called a fake autistic, and always misunderstood.

i am feeling very lethargic atthat realisation.

it would be really nice if everyone knew about verbal kanners, becuase all the ones ive met and heard about talk just like me, and because going mute is a pain in the butt, as much as i prefer it i feel like its "bad" if i do.


Hi Seven.  I hope this doesn't offend you.  When I read this thread several weeks ago the thought that came to me was "This girl is having troubles with apies because she thinks she is autistic and she is trying to relate as one autistic to another autistic rather than just person to person."  It was my opinion after first reading this thread that you probably aren't autistic.  (I am not a doctor, nor do I know you, so I concede that I could be wrong.)  

However, after reading your posts I did find you to be a unique and delightful person.  You have a  wonderfully interesting perspective.  I do think you are misunderstood and that is very frustrating.

Hey Seven, I looked up some of your art.  You are very talented!

seven Wrote:
okay let me ask then, how many verbal kanners have you you actually met? becuase every verbal kanner i know gets told the same thing  "i dont think your autistic"


My son has kanners autism and is verbal.  Several of his friends are.  I have spent countless hours researching this topic.   I am actually pretty good at spotting people on the spectrum.

What I stated before were just the actual thoughts that went through my mind when I first read this thread.  My thoughts are my own and they could be wrong.  I thought it was interesting when you posted that people call you a "fake autistic" because you just do not come across as autistic to me.

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Noetic Wrote:
But what really blew me away was the section on differentiating AS from HFA - I am now left with no doubt whatsoever that I am HFA, not AS. The most interesting bit was the idea that Aspies take in only one thing at a time, i.e. they are able to focus really well but find it hard to see the big picture. Whereas with HFA you are more bombarded with "everything" at once ("gestalt processing"), and eventual focus on a part is more a reaction to this bombardment of the senses than  stable, intense observation or attention.


It seems the bold print is "more like" how things happen with me, but perhaps not to the agree to which it occurs in actual HFA.  Because I also get the "focusing on one small part", but in general all of this seems very inconsistent.

I wonder if I'm leaning toward that because I have comorbid ADD, and this "bombardment" is more like a "distraction" sort of...?

the difference between aspergers and kanners autism is not that broad, its simple;
kanners (classic autism) have more extreme verbal difficulties. central auditory processing disorder, is most common, but could be others.

"bombardment" is not "distraction"
when you notice eveyrthing around you, its called being hyperaware, this means you takein so much information at once that you have trouble focusing on just one thing.
autistics with this are often wrongly diagnosed as ADD/ADHD.
its similar to but kind of teh oposite of hyperfocus, which is when you focus so intently on one thing that you 'cant be bothered' with antyhing else.

generally, autistics of all kinds can be both hyperaware and hyperfocus, depending on the activity, environment, and mood.


That's an interesting point, I wonder if my inability to process information in an integrated manner (the way those without AS/autism do) is what makes it seem like I have ADD--I get lots of information at once but can't "shut off" the less important information.

So in order to focus properly, I have to get into hyperfocus on one thing... and that's the only way to "block out" everything else.

But then again I am told that those with only ADD/ADHD also get into hyperfocus, so this is confusing.


you know, there is such a thing as being "half aspergers" you may want to look into that.

I disagree with the statement that Aspies don't understand Auties. I know two Auties and one actually shouted "You understand!" He's a great guy too.

tenaciouscj Wrote:
There's also blue and orange and yellow and red and purple and green and thousands of other wonderful colours.


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