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aspies understand auties about as well as NTs understand aspies.

everyone talks about how NTs dont understand them, what about how you dont understand aspies?

no one ever seems to notice that.
typo, should say "what about how you dont understand auties"
brace yourself, becuase i major trouble putting thoughts into words on days like today. heres my attempt to explain.

aspies talk about how they are autistic, and claim they understand me, untill i have a "quiet day" or "off day" or if i get stressed or upset and start speaking oddly. or they get mad at the way i speak as if its on perpus.

there are a few major differences betwen aspies and auties, mainly verbal, i cannot express myself verbally often correctly, and all my senteses may be taken SO literally by some aspies and when i explain myself tehy jsut repeat what i said first over and over, refusing to acknoledge my meaning over my exact words. and if i get too stressed i speak very horridly, and end up feeling like a helpless 5 year old, and the mroe i try to speak when upset, the more irritated everyone around me gets, and the more frantic i get.

some aspies i can USUALLY communicate with specifically visual-spcial aspies, but even then its not all the time and they easilly misunderstand me, but some are insufferable and just dont even try.

aspies think im a total weirdo usually, becuase im "more extreme" on teh spectrum than them obviously.

its the exact same thing with NTs and aspies, and im stating to get that this is an ASPIE website and im certainly not an aspie.

it ends up feeling like like im a different species not only form NTs, but from aspies too. eberywhere i go. on here, elsewhere online, in real life, everywhere at all. i do understand other auties perfectly and vice versa, just aspies are so different and they dont even realize it usually.
actually, many different places, many different aspies many different times.

its Everywhere i go, and most aspies i meet.

Aspies tend to assume taht autsitics are either 1. just like them; or 2. soem sort of brith defected or mentally retarted or notably disabled person.

the fact of the matter is, verbal abilities seperate kanners and aspsergers. its just like with a blinde person, when you have one ability impaired the others are effected too, this means autsitics not only process thoughts differetly (the amount of difference depednding on the indeviduals), but also, obviously, act feel and see things differently.

this means an average aspergers has houndreds of differences, small and large, from a kanner.

but the more aspies i talk to the more i see those two trends; their either think we are exactly a like or that we are totaly different species. neither is true. ive never heard anyone point out the fact that we are different before.

what im saying is that aspies need to learn about autistics the way NTs need to learn about aspies. its a little hypocritical for so many people ive met, tehy wnat NTs to learn about them, then if they meet a classically autsitic person, they decide said person is either "disabled" or a complete freak often. my point being its not fair to ask others to accept them when tehy dont accept others.
In one of your posts on another thead you stated that doctors don't know what they are talking about (this can be true of course) because what they claim autism is, doesn't fit you.  It seems like you are defining autism based on your personality and traits rather than seeing autism as something that as been defined and checking to see if you fit the criteria.

In another thread you said that your doctor gave you less than 1% chance of being autistic.  (I did read the thread we are on first and had already formed my opinion before I came across that thread.)  Doctors can be idiots.  I do think most of them are capable of diagnosing autism.  I think that most people who had trouble getting a dianosis probably got "I'm just not sure." rather than "It just ain't so."
[/quote] no, they told me i cnat be autistic becuase i can speak, to be specific, and everyone knows that is a rediculous steriotype.


di dyu actually read about the way the doctor tested me? he never even met me, teh only time we spoke, was After he diagnsoe dme, over teh phone, for less than two minutes.
i actually got a second opinion (but not retested) by osmeone who was highly reccomended, and she strait up said that man should have his lisence revoked for the simple fact that he scammed me, he didnt really test me, in her opinion.

im going to stop telling people i was ever tested at all, becuase it WAS just a scam, and he MAY have his liscence revoked, and im quite frankley tired of it being held against me.

JennaP Wrote:


Rossco, your point is very well taken.  I agree with what you stated.  Out of respect I will not adress this issue in the future (on this thread or others).  I would like to end with an explaination.  I was not trying to be antaganistic.  I saw that there had been some frustration with dealing with people and I thought it was worth at least considering that perhaps this was the reason.  I do agree though that it is not my place to make such a judgement.

tbh, if you want confirmation that i am autsitic, you can always talk to me in chat or messenger. i have no problem "being examined" but i do have a problem being misjudged.

oh that "examine" was an offer not an angery responce, to be clear.

BardWolf Wrote:
For the Limiting comments. I find that agurment null, since I told everyone that I'm already satfied with someone who means the world to me. Just because I don't do "aspies only" in dating doesn't make awful person and very limited. Yes I'm picky, thats only because I want to choose a male that can protect and care for me and is far more mature. I don't do the "Shy little guy" in the corner. I want some that isn't afrid to kiss me. To lisent, and not to feel offended when I speak my mine. So far only ONE guy fits that discription.

Now. Can you please get off my *** thank you

i agree, i dont do subby boys. i want assertive people, becuase i am asertive too. so far, only ONE guy fits my taste too, so i can fully understand what you are saying.
i think what they ment was "not all aspies are like that one guy" which is true, but doesnt matter if you already have someone Tongue

auti34 Wrote:
ok i tollty relte to this i have autism but im hf now so go to the as social groups but still feel like im on another plant i feel like im almost with nt people when around as people they seem to not have as many struggles as we do with autism i know it realtve kind of like cousin from to diff countrys


eik, you make typos the same as mine Big Grin somehow that makes me giddy.

i dont know very many kanners, so its alway snice to hear from such.

Batman55 Wrote:

Noetic Wrote:
But what really blew me away was the section on differentiating AS from HFA - I am now left with no doubt whatsoever that I am HFA, not AS. The most interesting bit was the idea that Aspies take in only one thing at a time, i.e. they are able to focus really well but find it hard to see the big picture. Whereas with HFA you are more bombarded with "everything" at once ("gestalt processing"), and eventual focus on a part is more a reaction to this bombardment of the senses than  stable, intense observation or attention.


It seems the bold print is "more like" how things happen with me, but perhaps not to the agree to which it occurs in actual HFA.  Because I also get the "focusing on one small part", but in general all of this seems very inconsistent.

I wonder if I'm leaning toward that because I have comorbid ADD, and this "bombardment" is more like a "distraction" sort of...?

the difference between aspergers and kanners autism is not that broad, its simple;
kanners (classic autism) have more extreme verbal difficulties. central auditory processing disorder, is most common, but could be others.

"bombardment" is not "distraction"
when you notice eveyrthing around you, its called being hyperaware, this means you takein so much information at once that you have trouble focusing on just one thing.
autistics with this are often wrongly diagnosed as ADD/ADHD.
its similar to but kind of teh oposite of hyperfocus, which is when you focus so intently on one thing that you 'cant be bothered' with antyhing else.

generally, autistics of all kinds can be both hyperaware and hyperfocus, depending on the activity, environment, and mood.

Batman55 Wrote:
I have no problems with you being picky.

What I do have a problem with is you saying things like, "I want a guy who is far more mature" than an Aspie, etc.

If you're going to keep insinuating that Aspie guys are childish in this manner, you may eventually have to put me on your "ignore" list because as an Aspie male myself, I'm not one to tolerate such horribly generalizing, negative labels being thrown around.  However "true" they might be, it's not very nice and just because you're mostly "indifferent" to criticism, doesn't mean others don't get defensive about these things.

To me there is no worst label that an Aspie could receive than "immature"... there are others that are worst, but only cosmetically so.

It seems you're going to have to learn some diplomacy on here, after all, if you don't want to attract some rather justifiable criticism.

Sheesh!


not to be rude but yu are kind of childish, while your point is valid you probably cant argue it very well just for that fact. its true that not all aspies areimmature, but your young and thus immature yourself, so probably someoen who doesnt fit her statment should argue it :s

rossco Wrote:
Oh I think I know and what's more even as an Aspie male, I am not offended.
Bardwolf is very young. I more than suspect that she has issues within herself of wanting to be mature and is doing what I have seen a lot of young girls do and that is to attach themselves to men that meet their standards of maturity. To further complicate this the previous interest was autistic and on diagnosis or realisation of the implications of her diagnosis probably had enough to deal with than being with someone else on the spectrum. That isn't particularly nice though, so the maturity thing came into play. She has found someone who she feels comfortable with now though. I think that is great.
Bardwolf I think finding someone you feel comfortable with and making your life stable is good and good for you as a person. In time I am sure you will mature yourself and look back on occassions like this where you made posts like this about maturity as a young girl and laugh. Along the lines of "If only I knew then what I know now". Its part of growing up.
I could be wrong and you may critically oppose my point but I think most of the older Aspies here will agree and in time you will as well.

thats a very good analasys.
i am young and i usually only go for mature guys. when i was younge rit was because probably that i wanted to feel more mature myself, and now that im older its honestly just that most immature guys annoy the hell out of me. but not All immature guys, as i am dating a younger guy. maybe hes not mature, but hes also not obnoxious, there is a large difference between the two. the thing about immature guys is that they learn and grow, while obnoxious guys.. dont. Wink

ASDAdult Wrote:
Hello.  I'm new here.  First post.  At the age of 51, I am (finally) self-diagnosed as being on the spectrum (which believe me, has finally made my whole life and struggles, etc. make perfect sense.)  I've been reading this thread and find it fascinating.  Particularly where Seven suggests that perhaps someone is partially autistic AND Asperger's at the same time.  Can that truly be?

I ask because that is one of my main confusions right now.  As a child (and even now), I guess you could say not only "internally", but according to the more clinical differentiations between autism (more intensively autistic as a child) and Asperger's, I match and relate more to being "classically" or traditionally, for lack of better words, as "autistic".

After MANY many years of intense study, learning the best I could, and adoption of as many NT traits as I could (I mimic), I appear to present myself NOW more as Asperger's.  It is like I take in information via the autistic process, then convert it to an Asperger's process, THEN try to outwardly present myself as "typically" as possible.

Man...........am I making myself clear at all?  (Hard to know or tell for me.)  Anyway, IS it possible to have BOTH HFA and Asperger's at the same time?  I'm clearly on the ASD spectrum, (even had ECT as a child, before autism was ever widely known about) because I was mute a lot and I screamed, flailed and "lost it" quite often.  Mute because talking was just too hard, and I wasn't "interested".  Until I could find or see the logic or reason for "talking" (and "walking" all that much for that matter), or talking during times of stress (almost always), I just wouldn't do it.  Too hard to make myself understood.  ALTHOUGH I did speak verbally as a "professor" type when I spoke, which is ok now, because I work in the legal field as a paralegal (and have for the past 34 years); at times it is still very tiring, others I'm hyper at talking, and others I have literally no "interest" in talking (or making or having friends) at ALL!

I could write a book of course in order to attempt to clarify and make myself understood and give examples blah blah, but I'll try to make this short.

The results of the testing I recently took (the Simon Baron-Cohen tests, if anyone is interested are:  AQ=43, EQ=7, SQ-R=94

The Asperger's test (the unofficial one on the web) that I took came out:  Aspie score 170 of 200, NT score 32 of 200.

The "eyes" test made me so frustrated that I just couldn't do it.  I could only even BEGIN to GUESS what 5 or 6 of them "might" be (which I did get correct), but I noticed those were the ones the clearly (to me) indicated "anger" type looks.  I noticed I got immediately extremely anxious while taking the test, and totally frustrated, and threw my hands around several times, mumbling to myself "Man, I can't do this!  I have NO clue!"

And I pass as normal (but a bit odd).  Have for years now.  But nobody knows exactly what it took (and still takes) daily for me to do so.  I suppress SO many automatic behaviors (?) and/or verbal retorts or comments (to avoid abuse being inflicted on me), it isn't funny.  Extremely exhausting.

So..............Could I truly possibly be both autistic AND have Asperger's syndrome, too?

Thanks, everyone.

if it means anything to you, those scores are notabley autistic. you are probably falling somewhere between aspergers and autism, just based on what youve said, you can be in the middle of the two, yes, but not "both" as previeously said.
the deviding line is not any indevidual traits, its verbal abilities.

no, unlike the word normal, intelegence is clearly defined; its the ability to learn.
being "stupid/slow" is having a low number on your 'leanring process rate' and being 'intelgent/fast' is to have a high number on scale.
intelgence is not open to intpertation, its clear, but testing for intelgence is increadibly flawed and near pointless.

ASDAdult Wrote:
Big Grin  No, first they tried to "cure" whatever it was via ECT, then when that didn't work, they suggested institutionalizing me.  (My parents said "no".)  Although, my mother (I was adopted) did derive a perverse pleasure out of holding that over my head as a threat from time to time as I grew up.  Those were the "times", though!  Strangely, I find I can laugh about it now.

First, at the age of about 3, my parents were told that I would probably be in a wheelchair by the time I was about 12 (gross motor skills still weren't very good or had regressed), and I would probably not live past the age of 20.  (Needless to say, my 20s were terror, as I expected to die any day......until I reached the age of 30, and then realized they were full of it!)  

Shows you how far recognition and knowledge of autism has come in the U.S. since the archaic 50s and early 60s, doesn't it?

All of the above came from when I was examined and treated at the University of Michigan medical center (or behaviorial science or child psychiatric units or whatever they were called at the time) - right around the periods of the late 50s and early 60s.  If the U of M ever DID officially diagnose me as "autistic", that was never told to me, and that word was never ever used in the house.  So until two weeks, ago, I hadn't even ever considered it myself (neither has the medical and psychiatric/psychological field since then).  

For the most part, people thought I somehow must be "mistaken" about what little I had been told prognosis-wise (as mentioned above), until just this last week (after diagnosing myself as Autistic), I did find these two quotes from articles, which vindicate me.  Hoorah!!!

"People tend to think the average life expectancy of an autistic is 18 to 21 years," said Stephen Shore, director of Autism Spectrum Disorders Consulting and instructor of Special Education at Lesley University in Cambridge, MA."

"Autism was once thought to be a rare disorder. Knowledge of this condition—its diagnosis, management, causes, course, and outcome—was not considered necessary for most mental health practitioners. It was only minimally covered and discussed in child psychiatry fellowships or residencies.  When I began my child psychiatry training at the children’s psychiatric hospital at the University of Michigan Medical Center, I was assigned five autistic children to treat. I read whatever I could about the management and treatment of such children. In 1960, we routinely blamed parents for their autistic children, and we had little available in our therapeutic armamentarium to treat these children and help their families.  As a resident/fellow, I was advised to help families work through their grief and disappointment at having an autistic child and help them recognize that, in all probability, their child would be hospitalized and/or institutionalized for the rest of his or her life."  Autism Spectrum Disorders: A Research Review for Practitioners, edited by Sally Ozonoff, Ph.D., Sally J. Rogers, Ph.D., and Robert L. Hendren, D.O. Washington, D.C., American  Psychiatric Publishing, 2003, 296 pp.

Actually, I LOVED it whenever I was hospitalized......which was a lot......because I was never really "sick", and when I was in the hospital for "observation", I was finally left alone to my own thoughts, etc. and sensory disturbances were decreased, so I was in heaven during those times.  HAH!  I was always "there", though, even if they thought I was consciously "gone" somewhere.

Hey, you folks have been great in indulging my examination of the differences between Aspergers and HFA!  Can't tell you how much I appreciate it!

sense when was child abuse EVER legal? i cnat belive they do these things to autsitics!

no one ever said id be in a wheel chair, but ive been told constantly thatim going to die young, i nearly did many times, infact i was close for about 2 years when my fibro got so bad that my pshycial health shot horribley. i still have that lingering thought of "oh im 17, suprised i made it to 17, and im likley to die any year now" i was told that by my peers becuase of the way i talk, my dyspraxia (clumsy motor skills), and teh fact that i seem to be sick more often than well.

its probably complete bull, but being told thousands of times, anyone would feel like it was a distinct possibility.

i am always happier to be home alone in my room a smuch as psossible, where its MY environment. its wonderful. my dad always worries taht iam too antisocial or dont get out enough, which is nice, but annoying. my mom was phsycotic about being overpotective, she didnt want me to socialize, and demdned that i not even speak to males at school. she didnt seem to notcie taht inever had female freinds, girls hated me generally. so when i moved in with my dad at 14, i didnt even understand the concept of why i was expected to socialise or go out for social reasons at all.

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