Aspies For Freedom

To me this shows the kind of thing that people say when they can be anonymous and not talking to the media for instance.
It shows the kind of people who treat others badly and think its funny, and we have all met some of those people in life.
Contains bad language and may offend some people.



mother kills son - gets good beahviour bond. and some devils advocacy.

Submitted by iddqd at 2004-06-02 14:18:14

oh, did i mention that the child had autism?

yesterday a woman was released from gaol to bury the son she murdered. not only that but she doesnt have to return, as she has been released on a five year good behaviour bond, on the grounds of diminshed responsibilty.

there are many heart-wrenching details to the story - an abusive alcholoic husband, clinical depression, suicide plans, but basically at the end of it all, a woman has walked away after killing her own child.

is this necessarily a bad thing? or will this open up yet another legal pandoras box?

when one has a child, i assume that one is aware of the massive amount fo committment that one is now in store for when the child is born. autistic or not, it is a commonly held belief that one is in for a serious committment. sure the autism adds an extra, ***, dimension; but if its all too much, then there are other avenues open to you, particularly if you have an abusive significant other. there are agencies that would have an impromptu orgy just out of sheer delight from having someone in such dire need to assist. surely before you look at murder-suicide as your prime option, you check out what help you can recieve.

nah, screw that, its all too hard, ill take the murder-suicide thanks johnny!

but hold the suicide thanks.

so heres the moral folks: life getting you down? mortgage and 2.6 kids ruining your social life. no fear! have a bit of a cry and then hold a pillow over juniours face while hes asleep, youll do 10 months, and then youll get slapped with good behaivour bond. all of a sudden, BAM! friday nights just cleared right up, off to the pub we go!

is it more justifiable for the woman to have killed the child because it was severely mentally hadicapped (he couldnt speak, let alone be toilet-trained), than for her to have killed a 'normal' one?

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Submitted by dakingisdead

Perhaps JUSTICE actually took place here.


Submitted by iddqd

Submitted by Loren1

Loki, if I've told you once, I've told you, well, maybe once... "No yippie *** outta MY baby."

There aren't enough details to this story for me to form an opinion of any merit. People lose it sometimes, it's awful, it's wrong, but it happens.


i left out the details on purpose, in fact most of the details contradict my hysterical (not meant in a funny way). for example she was in fact seeking help, but was having troubles with our useless bureaucracies. but those mitigating factors dont make for an inflammatory post.


Submitted by Random Joe

yeah i saw that on the news last night, Ray Martin had an interview with her, sad, pathetic little lady, the legal system and what is supposedly justice has gone to ***, you kill someone, you should be punished, simple.
Submitted by munkeypants

Submitted by Loren1


There aren't enough details to this story for me to form an opinion of any merit. People lose it sometimes, it's awful, it's wrong, but it happens.

Submitted by reallybored


God invented abortion for a reason.
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what they said

Submitted by DJMattB241


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Submitted by Loren1


Loki, if I've told you once, I've told you, well, maybe once... "No yippie *** outta MY baby."

There aren't enough details to this story for me to form an opinion of any merit. People lose it sometimes, it's awful, it's wrong, but it happens.
Submitted by Dufflady


Ahh, loki, your huskies are hunters too?

My mom's husky kept killing her neighbor's pomeranians. She had to find her a new home.
Submitted by reallybored


God invented abortion for a reason.
Submitted by loki


There have to be agencies out there that would help with this – jebus what is wrong with people.

although it occurred to me today that the voices in my head are urging me to trade in my huskies for oh I don't know something like that yippie little *** of Loren's

mostly because they are shedding like crazy and this morning there was an opossum sans head on my porch – don't think it was natural causes

Submitted by Snuggles_The_Assassin  


Snuggles is on the job.
Submitted by Oleannder


Thats disgusting. I hope she gets run over by a coke junkie on their way to a power meeting.
Submitted by NotApologizing


I think it's much more acceptable to kill a *** than a normal kid. They're (retards) like animals, ya know? Although I would recommend a shovel to the head rather than a pillow because I've never seen a pillow big enough to fit over an autist's face!

And is it just me, or do autistic people appear more buoyant than normal people?

Ah well...


Submitted by Rainer


Gotta love America!
Submitted by shark25


I do not care how mentally unstable you are. I do not care if you are outright crazy. If you kill a child you need to be in jail for the rest of your life or you need to be put to death.

That is just how it is.
Submitted by Method


oh, did i mention that the child had autism?


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hahaha dick

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I would just ignore their comments. They're trolls.

ehh, ignore them.

Do Not Feed The Trolls!

Ah *** em, they are clearly American.

The only thing is there isn't enough funding for everybody who needs help to get it. For all we know, the mother probably tried to get help and was brushed aside.

I'm not condoning what she did and think she should have gone to jail. I just think it is isn't very easy for parents to get the help they need when they have a severely disabled child.

I agree with Tenacious. I have bought this subject up previously and been shouted done for it before but...meh!
We can imagine the woman as inherently weak, evil, thoughtless, nasty, psychopathic or whatever else but if she was trying to get help and the system was letting her and her family down and if she was not in a position to make rational decisions then diminished responsibility may actually be an appropriate verdict.
Why did the system let her down? If she needed help why wasn't it given? It is like ringing up a suicide line and saying to the operator and saying "I have lost the plot I am suicidal. I want to die! I have a knife in my hand and a bottle of pills in front of me. I want someone to listen but no one will". To then hear operator say "What? Oh OK I missed that. Sorry you were saying? .........Hang on my mobile is calling. Hold the line please............"
The blame can be put on the Mother. Easy. The Mother can be the demon. Easy. Look into things a bit further. What is gained by putting her in jail? What is life imprisonment going to do? Is she a threat to all humanity? Does she need the help that she did then? Is her "getting off" a green light to would be murderers?
Not so easy questions. This is not so cut and dry.
I am not saying she was right in what she did. I am not saying her child deserved to die. I am saying the system is ultimately responsible and ought to be fixed. If we see this as symptomatic of a system that doesn't work than as bad parents then we have a chance of addressing systematic faults, procedures and beauracracies. The risk of parents being left with little support and suffering mental and psychological imbalance will be reduced. Attack the parents and you get dead kids and a jail of depressed and grieving parents.

All very good points, Rossco. Perhaps I was a bit hasty in saying the mother should have gone to jail.

I've had personal experience trying to get help from the health system and getting absolutely nowhere. So much for paying taxes and medicare levy. The hospital system in Queensland is getting worse, not better. I wouldn't be surprised if the same were the case in the other states too.

I don't know where the money is going but there is nowhere near enough help available. Even things such as Lifeline aren't necessary the panacea they are seen as. It relies on volunteers and some of them are more mixed up than the people who call them.

It's got almost to the stage where parents who aren't coping will have to leave their child in the politician's office or the doctor's office before somebody will take notice, but even then they will be vilified for abandoning their child.

So the guy says he "loiks drownin thems Autistic kids" but he also spends most of his time on a forum saying such.

I doubt he'd be capable of such physical exertion.

Or any mental exertion either.

I liked Jana Wendt better but I think the station she worked for reporting current affairs did the dirty on her. Not sure what she is doing now.

Ha ha, bad bad pun! I wonder if anybody remembers the big kerfuffle when a rather pregnant Geraldine Doogue was a News Reader. Some people who obviously were not living in the 20th century said it was quite improper for a pregnant lady to be reading the news but it was just part of the general double standards that apply where women and news-reading and current affairs shows are concerned.

I know she now works on the ABC show, "Compass", and her boy would be grown up now.

Rossco raised some good points. Here in the US, the system does some things that result in caregivers not getting help when they're being required to do more than is humanly possible, or having a mental breakdown and thinking that suicide or murder really is the right solution.This does not make murder or suicide right, but if the parent has tried to act responsibly by asking for help and not gotten any, that suggests to me that the system bears some responsibility,because they could have intervened before the child was harmed and did not.I'm going to add something that I'm sure I'll get yelled at for.People commit murders and murder-suicides for a lot of different reasons,from personal hatred of the victim to brain malfunctions that make the killer truely not understand what they're doing. This is also true if the victim is autistic or disabled.While i think the lives of autistic and disabled people are devalued often and this is sometimes an issue in a murder, there are times when the murder is committed for other reasons, and would have happened even if the victim was not disabled or autistic.Clearly  a parent who kills an autistic child should not be seen as worthy of sympathy or as the victim of the child's autism,but also, sometimes a parent who kills a child is automatically seen as an evil monster who did this only because of thinking the child's life had no value so murdering the child was right,when that may not have been the case.

I think what's really rattling Amy's cage here is that it's that Autism Speaks woman all over again except this woman actually killed her child.

After moving to Spain I've been able to witness something great about the way their kids are raised that is different from the UK.  In the UK, kids are the responsibility of their parents and the community at large takes very little interest in them apart from getting riled when they go wayward.  In Spain - community really means something here.  The Spanish shout to each other in their houses!  (true).  Everyone knows everyone else, and their kids are the responsibility of the whole community.

In the UK everyone is living in fear inside of their little surburban houses, suspecting that their next door neighbours are dangerous pedophiles or something - and the kids don't play out, and there's never a babysitter when you need one, and generally - the atmosphere is not child friendly or natural - and therefore it isn't parent friendly or natural either.  I don't know why people say someone should have gotten some *official* sort of help from doctors or social services (like they ever helped anyone!) instead of seeing how their own community failed this woman and her child.  Maybe it's easier... is everyone a bystander now?

My grandmother remembers a time when her mother went away because she was ill, and women from the community came around to take care of the 9 kids - feed them, clean them, get them dressed.  These were the forerunners of the social services - and they kept my grandmothers family together until her mother was well again.  These days they'd instantly remove the kids to foster homes, make a big legal case against the mother and call her all sorts of names and they'd never be a family again.  Women FEAR social services now - and for good reason.  I knew a woman who was removed from her family and was raped by her foster father - told the ss and wasn't believed by them.

The only way to remove this blight is to build strong communities where even WE can feel comfortable relying on when things get tough.

Old saying - what comes around goes around.

Child abuse is also a major problem in Australia