Aspies For Freedom

Which would disqualify us, would it not?

Exactly how are the traits unique to and shared by all on the spectrum a matter of cultural transmission FROM those on the spectrum TO those on the spectrum and not a matter of innate neurological (biological) characteristics?  

If it is learned, then there is no point to claiming "neurodiversity".  If it is neurological (biological) diversity, it is not learned.

Okay, I'll cop to it--I'm being intentionally Socratic.  From my formal study in the social sciences, a true cultural route of transmission simply does not exist in this case.  There is no such thing as "Asperger culture" nor "autistic culture".  No such culture exists.  There are shared traits, but they are primarily neurobiological in origin.  I understand the desire to claim a special and specific culture, but it's fantasizing, not based on solid social science.

Perhaps it's not social science in the traditonal scence. Isn't the study of social science based upon studying the present and past trends and traits of society? If so perhaps Autistic people havn't had enough disctinction to set themselves apart current society.

Any culture would have to be started by a group of people identifying themselves in one way which sets them apart from others right?

Fantasizing wastes time and energy that could be better put towards true activism.

But activism was started by someone fantisizing about what they want is it not? Fundementaly speaking.

Of course, that also means that I need not be justified to you, doesn't it?  Whatever I do is perfectly right--or at least as perfectly right as whatever you do, since you need not justify yourself, neither need I.  Or does the blade not cut both ways?

Maybe you should try it and see if it improves your posts.  Works just as well turned around.  What's that say about the meaning content?

In other words, I expose a fundamental semantic flaw, and the only response is to engage in ad hominem against me.  This will taken as tacit admission that it is not possible to merely paper over the flaw.

Without engaging in making "culture" so broad as to mean anything at all (and thus mean nothing at all), can it be demonstrated that an actual "autistic culture" exists as a culture and not just as a pipe dream?

Now, I'm all for developing an ethic of resistance, but why pretend that it has to be a "culture"?

Because I think autistic culture could very possible grow to the point blacks have their own cultur, latinos. The only difference is that in other cultures there was nothing and it was made to fill this gap, autistic people are living inside a culture already.

I think that's what this thread is about, inventing a new culture, one that autistic can thrive in. Clearly we can function in limited ways in the culture there is now. Knowledge and acceptence is the AFF's goal yes, but it may not be enough. Autistics face different challenges and trails then blacks, women and other people faced in their time when they were not accepted. What other people have been regarded as sick and having a disease that is far worse then cancer?

Can you back up your claims that there is not an autistic culture? If you can't, to me, your claims are baseless and paper tigers. Besides, no one is making you read these topics you don't agree with.

This site itself i'd argue would be the first sign of an autistic culture. Take a look over the art, computers, and media forums to see what autistics have done.

That is what that sentence should be.

Your assumption about my logic is wrong.

I have presented evidence to my claims there is an autistic culture forming. You simply choose to ignore this evidence and presume you are right.

Yes. Which is much less stylish than *my* preferred method, an ad homonym attack. This where you attack the person person based their confusion between two similarly sounding words which have different meanings, rather than adressing the argument...

(just hoping to diffuse things with a bit of humour)

Sounds like a great idea. Only lynchpin to that is that those with autism (us) have gone thyrough a similar treatment in one way or another. We have autism as a unifying factor, NTs don't have that, so they'll have to work harder to get the peace and harmony we have. :D

Personally I believe that autism is something that bridges any culter, religion, ideaology or ethnicity. In other words i'm an Aspie first before I am an American, a conservative, etc.

The other thing to consider is that nto only have Autistics have endured similar treatment, but our mindset is more align to one another then a NT mindset.

I'll say it again, i'm an Aspie first before i'm a guy, an American, a white.

I see this as what's different from the other failed attempts by other organizations. What other group has had such a unifying factor that colors everything they do?