03-30-2007, 07:11 PM
03-30-2007, 09:27 PM
Max the Bear Wrote:
You would have to ask someone stupid enough to considered pedophilia a culture.
Ah, but the walking shootin' targets call themselves a culture? What and who gets to define who is and is not a "culture"? If we get to define ourselves as a "culture", does that mean the pedophiles get to do so, too?
Quick, what "culture" and "self-definition" stunts can we pull that we can deny to pedophiles while still engaging in logical rigor?
03-30-2007, 10:41 PM
guardian001 Wrote:
are you suggesting what i think you are: that you have compare us and your self to poeple who hurt others-children, which is the deftion very sumed up of pedophilia.
No, I am deconstructing the idea of a "self-identified culture". If all that it takes to be a "culture" is to claim to be one, then pedophiles qualify. If pedophiles don't qualify but we do, what are the external criteria of a culture beyond merely demanding to be treated as one?
03-31-2007, 02:50 PM
DogBrain Wrote:
Callista Wrote:
3. Culture has to be learned, not innate (so it can't be instinctual).
Which would disqualify us, would it not?
how so?
03-31-2007, 05:01 PM
DogBrain Wrote:
guardian001 Wrote:
DogBrain Wrote:
Callista Wrote:
3. Culture has to be learned, not innate (so it can't be instinctual).
Which would disqualify us, would it not?
how so?
Exactly how are the traits unique to and shared by all on the spectrum a matter of cultural transmission FROM those on the spectrum TO those on the spectrum and not a matter of innate neurological (biological) characteristics?
If it is learned, then there is no point to claiming "neurodiversity". If it is neurological (biological) diversity, it is not learned.
can't it be both?
04-01-2007, 09:58 PM
perhasp but we can wish it can't we?
04-02-2007, 05:53 PM
Luai_lashire Wrote:
Andrew is right. Wasn't martin luther king, jr.'s dream a fantasy? And yet it led to activism that led to a reality.
Do we want to be accepted for what we are within our various cultures or do we want to INVENT a new culture--that does NOT already exist? We'd better put the priority in place, because doing one will detract from the other.
But there is currently no such thing as "autistic culture".
04-02-2007, 07:40 PM
When a word can mean anything that one wants it to mean, then there's no point in using it. One might as well just say "Ooogabajunga" to mean anything at all.
04-03-2007, 12:52 PM
Andrew Wrote:
Can you back up your claims that there is not an autistic culture? If you can't, to me, your claims are baseless and paper tigers. Besides, no one is making you read these topics you don't agree with.
The negative claim does not HAVE TO be backed up. That's how rational thought works. It is the responsibility of those making the positive claim to back up their contention.
The null hypothesis is presumed until and unless sufficient evidence has been discovered to discard it. That's how reason works.
Otherwise, any AND ALL daft claims must be presumed to be true until disproven.
The ancient Egyptians had Pentiums--until it can be disproven, we MUST believe it, according to you.
You are an elephant who is cunningly disguised as a human being. Until disproven, we MUST believe it, according to you.
04-03-2007, 06:51 PM
When all else fails, you wallow in ad hominem. You can't refute me, so you merely denegrate me.
04-03-2007, 07:48 PM
DogBrain Wrote:
When all else fails, you wallow in ad hominem. You can't refute me, so you merely denegrate me.
i dont,and prove it. your latin means to person or man, that make abosulutly no sense.
04-18-2007, 01:06 PM
Wasn't the whole "buy an island off Dubai" thing sort of quietly dropped?
04-18-2007, 05:50 PM
Max the Bear Wrote:
The theory of "interlocking systems of oppression" looks at (among other things) the idea that although the specific causes and reasons for oppression of Aspies, blacks, gays, women, Jews, etc may not be identical, there is still a fundamental experience of oppression, and a common system of advantages and disadvantages that work to provide some groups with privilege at the expense of others.
That's nice in theory, but the reality is that power structures instead manipulate oppressed groups against each other. You're, no doubt, familiar with Ignatiev's writings on the Irish in the USA, for example.
Likewise, "condition"-based activism has a bad history. Instead of working together to efficiently compromise on resources, the various condition activist groups waste energy fighting each other to see who gets the most rescuing from nanny government.
04-19-2007, 01:15 PM
Max the Bear Wrote:
Many people with many variations from "the norm" feel the same way
"Feel" the same way? We BIOLOGICALLY are "that way" and it has NOTHING AT ALL to do with mere "feelings". My brain is inherently wired differently. I cannot be presumed to think as the monkeys think.
04-19-2007, 08:31 PM
Max the Bear Wrote:
A) Many "variations from the norm" are biological in nature, and B) whether something is biological, psychological, sociological or whatever does not mean it is more or less real.
and C) your ONLY MY EXPERIENCE MATTERS attitude is not helpful to yourself or to anyone else.
and C) your ONLY MY EXPERIENCE MATTERS attitude is not helpful to yourself or to anyone else.
Shouldn't I just be dismissed, since you have diagnosed me as a sociopath, using hitherto-unknown laser-precise long-distance never-met, ultra-rapid diagnostic procedures.