I think aspies and others should have more words and expressions which could be good arguments in certain situations especially we meet.
What is a nazi thing to say?
• "Sorry, there you see. It's because he's autistic."
• "I think it is wrong that aspies talk for autists. I've heard that people with autism have a lack of theory of mind, which I think affects their ability to understand another's situation. How could people with lack of theory of mind talk for other people?"
• "You're stupid, I've read that people with autism have a lack of imagination."
People with autism often don't have a lack of imagination.
But they do often lack creative social abilities, usually their responses are predictable (usually, not always) and quite rigid, like following a set of rules they created over the years in their mind to help them get through social situations. They have a need to follow these rules because social intuition is missing.
I think that's the only "area" we lack creativity. But that doesn't mean "lack imagination." Naive/ignorant people might be confusing these things.
I can give you endless examples of people I have read about with AS, who had, contrary to what some people think about Asperger's, an unusually vivid imagination.
That's why it is a nazi thing to say!
I would agree. It comes from not really knowing, or bothering to know, the condition of Asperger's. It comes from ignorance.
Poor choice of word maybe.
"It's a fascist way of thinking" is more on the point I think.
Does the name Harald Ofstad ring a bell? He was a Norwegian who wrote an excellent book on "the fascist way of thinking".
But they do often lack creative social abilities, usually their responses are predictable (usually, not always) and quite rigid
I have yet to meet a "normal" person who was not extremely rigid.
DogBrain! Very Well Put!
Just a short remark: Hans Asperger was a Nazi !
Don't get me wrong! I'm an extreme communist, so don't think i am defending the Nazis ..... yet what is true is just true !
One more thing: saying that the Nazi enjoy labelling people is Nazistic ! So don't be hypocrites !
Yes he was .... or, let me say it this way: that's how some his biographies* introduce him.
* not AUTO-biographies though
nazi= national socalist german workers party founded in 1919 and brought to power in 1933 under adolf hitler, quted from the american heriage dictionary.
"I have yet to meet a 'normal' person who was not extremely rigid."
You need to meet more people.
Extreme rigidity is not a universal for any category of people -- except the category "Extremely Rigid People."
Lots of people were "Nazis" back then. My great-grandfather was; he had to feed six children, and the party was the best way to get and keep a job. He was some sort of minor bureaucrat, I think.
If Asperger didn't actually work with the atrocities committed by the Germans in that era, then I wouldn't be worried about his character even if he was part of the Nazi party. It was a big party; and most members simply believed Germany was a superior nation, or else wanted the economic prosperity Hitler promised. Germany before WWII was generally quite dispirited; they were in a depression worse than our Great Depression, and they saw no way out. When Hitler came to power and started up the German war machine, the German economy revived and became extremely powerful. Hitler was seen as a hero--someone who'd made Germany a proud nation again. The atrocities weren't apparent until much later, except for the existence of the eugenics movement... and that was a worldwide thing which also existed in America (and resulted in sterilization of quite a few handicapped people before it was stopped).
So... Nazi need not equal evil. If he were a part of the SS or something, I'd be worried. But not just "Nazi".
"We are the master race" or "we are superior to NTs because of our high IQs".
I don't have a high IQ. What am I to believe?
"I have yet to meet a 'normal' person who was not extremely rigid."
You need to meet more people.
Extreme rigidity is not a universal for any category of people -- except the category "Extremely Rigid People."
I meant Aspies can be rigid in the sense that their social functioning often stays within a certain "mode," without too much deviation of expression--hence the stereotype that a lot of us wear a neutral/serious expression a lot of the time (this is true of me.) This will not be true for all Aspies, of course, it is why I said "stereotype."
In my experience I have noticed most NTs use a wide range of expression, both nonverbal facial expression and with words, easily shifting from one emotion/thought to the next. You can't often tell how they are going to express themselves, they shift from one kind of expression to another so quickly, it's tough for Aspies to predict. They are often manipulative. I am sure this is part of the reason a lot us have social anxiety.
You might say "normal" people, or NTs, are extremely rigid because they have a need to follow the herd (like a herd of sheep) but they also prize jumping over one another constantly to "get ahead." In my experience, some NTs who aren't skilled enough to get the goods, tend to craft a "tough" outward appearance that would lead you to believe they are highly competitive. But it is mostly for purpose of "appearing competitive" like everyone else is "supposed" to be.
It's quite pathetic. And I am glad not to be NT.
I meant Aspies can be rigid in the sense that their social functioning often stays within a certain "mode," without too much deviation of expression--hence the stereotype that a lot of us wear a neutral/serious expression a lot of the time (this is true of me.) This will not be true for all Aspies, of course, it is why I said "stereotype."
In my experience I have noticed most NTs use a wide range of expression, both nonverbal facial expression and with words, easily shifting from one emotion/thought to the next. You can't often tell how they are going to express themselves, they shift from one kind of expression to another so quickly, it's tough for Aspies to predict.
I agree with the first part but am not sure what the second is supposed to have to do with rigidity. (Or do you mean physical, as in stiffness?)
I don't think I intended the second part to be about NT rigidity, I think I probably went off on a tangent. Sorry.
I meant Aspies can be rigid in the sense that their social functioning often stays within a certain "mode," without too much deviation of expression--hence the stereotype that a lot of us wear a neutral/serious expression a lot of the time (this is true of me.) This will not be true for all Aspies, of course, it is why I said "stereotype."
In my experience I have noticed most NTs use a wide range of expression, both nonverbal facial expression and with words, easily shifting from one emotion/thought to the next. You can't often tell how they are going to express themselves, they shift from one kind of expression to another so quickly, it's tough for Aspies to predict.
I agree with the first part but am not sure what the second is supposed to have to do with rigidity. (Or do you mean physical, as in stiffness?)
I don't think I intended the second part to be about NT rigidity, I think I probably went off on a tangent. Sorry.
I think I was trying to show how NTs are not rigid in ways that Aspies are rigid. I was trying to compare/contrast NT/AS social expression.
But they do often lack creative social abilities, usually their responses are predictable (usually, not always) and quite rigid
I have yet to meet a "normal" person who was not extremely rigid.
I've yet to meet a normal person... Actually, that's all.
Any links to these biographies?
I can't find the one i had in mind, Theosoph ....
however i came across this one:
http://www.ypdc.net/autism/urgency.html
It is sad that inaccurate accusations are being made against Hans Asperger, one of the pioneers who identified autistic disorders. Hans Asperger had the misfortune of being born at a time and in a place which is forever tainted by the crimes of the Nazi regime. Asperger stated that he took part of the Youth movement and this has been held against him. However, the Youth movement predated Hitler. It was eventually absorbed into the Hitler Youth, a premilitary organization that every boy was forced to join. At that point Asperger was an adult and had already left it. People continue to have a deep suspicion of people who did not openly protest or show resistance during the Nazi regime. This applies to the vast majority of the population, many of whom lived in fear. Asperger was brave in speaking out about the value of individuals who did not fit into society. According to eye witnesses he saved people with mental handicap from being sent to other hospitals where they would probably have died. Aspergr was known to have deeply held religious beliefs and high ethical standards.
Uta Frith.