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Agreed with Dogbrain, autism is labeled a mental disorder because it is not normal. 20%+ is not 50% of the world's population, not yet anyways.

If you've played a game which has any form of a class system, NTs I see are like a jack of all trades class, while autistics are an attempt to be a different class. If I may go geek for a moment take Final Fantasy XI as an example, the Red Mage is regarded as a jack of all trades class, this is our NT example. Now i'll use the Blue Mage as what autistics are, an attempt to remain somewhat jack of all trades but focused more in areas of attack and damage dealing that the Red Mage can not get into, but because of this specilization Blue Mage looses more of it's jack of all trades abilities to the Red Mage such as his ability to heal as effectivly.

I used this as an example because I played, and enjoyed, FFXI before I had to give it up because of Real Life.

I can use another example if need be.
Then take ay other game that has a class system. Killzone has soldiers, sniper, demo people. Same with any of the Medal of Honor series. Even Splinter Cell.

Like I said, there are plenty of other examples.
You can make it clear to those who read what you think you were tlaking about real life. That'd help.
As an Aspergian, I almost lost track of what this thread was about by the last post. Planet of the Aspies? Think again, brothers and sisters! If everyone on Earth had poor social skills, sensory issues, etc. etc., what would happen to the uniqueness which we, a MINORITY, hold so dear?

DogBrain Wrote:
But the problem is that I can only afford to play Real Life right now.  I'm just stuck there.  It's ridiculous.  To get up in the morning, I actually have to *physically get up*!  And there's the "paying the bills" part of it, too.


The trick is to quit thinking of "paying the bills" and find a profession that is so exciting that you can't wait to get up and go to work. Then your hard work and enthusiasm will assure that you have ample money to pay your bills. I was "stuck" once but I just took a chance and changed everything in my life, job, home, friends to take a job I really liked and it worked.

rossco Wrote:
Almost lost track? I read the whole lot in amazement. Something to do with computer games? What does that have to do with a wanton daydream about a utopian ideal of Aspergic society?


I think we're better.  In a nutshell, the NT mindset is pretty much based on agreement of majority rule, ie: following followers..  So, in theory, if Aspergian is individual ideas and concepts, then really, we are the innovators and inventors, unique artists and philosphers, daring to declare new visions, and we dont give a damn if anybody cares, or not!  leave that to the NTs, you can have it.


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mikegeo Wrote:
I think we're better.  In a nutshell, the NT mindset is pretty much based on agreement of majority rule, ie: following followers..  So, in theory, if Aspergian is individual ideas and concepts, then really, we are the innovators and inventors, unique artists and philosphers, daring to declare new visions, and we dont give a damn if anybody cares, or not!  leave that to the NTs, you can have it.


There's plenty of impressive NT's  - humanitarians, scientists, political figures, creative types, and even "innovators and inventors".

We have a different perspective, which helps, because we can take a new look at old ideas and think a different way - but if we had an Aspie society, the opposite would be true. NT's would be able to look at our ideas and offer a different perspective on them.

Aside from anything else, the which neurotype is "better" argument is ridiculous, and self-defeating to an Autistic rights cause.

EvilZakkie Wrote:

mikegeo Wrote:
I think we're better.  In a nutshell, the NT mindset is pretty much based on agreement of majority rule, ie: following followers..  So, in theory, if Aspergian is individual ideas and concepts, then really, we are the innovators and inventors, unique artists and philosphers, daring to declare new visions, and we dont give a damn if anybody cares, or not!  leave that to the NTs, you can have it.


There's plenty of impressive NT's  - humanitarians, scientists, political figures, creative types, and even "innovators and inventors".

We have a different perspective, which helps, because we can take a new look at old ideas and think a different way - but if we had an Aspie society, the opposite would be true. NT's would be able to look at our ideas and offer a different perspective on them.

Aside from anything else, the which neurotype is "better" argument is ridiculous, and self-defeating to an Autistic rights cause.


it is all based on individuality, or, the masses. of course, if the roles were reversed, yes, NTs would be the innovators; but they are not, as much as aspergians.  i stand by this personal belief, and i will not be swayed to differ.  we bring the unique perspective; not swayed by public opinion. lemmings...

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EvilZakkie Wrote:

mikegeo Wrote:
I think we're better.  In a nutshell, the NT mindset is pretty much based on agreement of majority rule, ie: following followers..  So, in theory, if Aspergian is individual ideas and concepts, then really, we are the innovators and inventors, unique artists and philosphers, daring to declare new visions, and we dont give a damn if anybody cares, or not!  leave that to the NTs, you can have it.


There's plenty of impressive NT's  - humanitarians, scientists, political figures, creative types, and even "innovators and inventors".

We have a different perspective, which helps, because we can take a new look at old ideas and think a different way - but if we had an Aspie society, the opposite would be true. NT's would be able to look at our ideas and offer a different perspective on them.

Aside from anything else, the which neurotype is "better" argument is ridiculous, and self-defeating to an Autistic rights cause.


haha  an "aspie rights cause"  are you kidding?  this is inferior in concept.  it's an assunption that we are less than NTs.  UGH!  you are looking in the mirror from the wrong persective, in my opinion.  yours is a cracked mirror, but, it does not have to be.  unless you prefer to play the victim, be my guest, but dont paint me in your corner, ok?  I feel great being just who i am, without needing to judged or acdepted by the NTs of the world.  they can either take me or leave me, i could give a damn; let em all jmp off the lemming cliff; i'll sit and watch in amazement and fascination!

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mikegeo Wrote:
haha  an "aspie rights cause"  are you kidding?  this is inferior in concept.  it's an assunption that we are less than NTs.  UGH!  you are looking in the mirror from the wrong persective, in my opinion.  yours is a cracked mirror, but, it does not have to be.  unless you prefer to play the victim, be my guest, but dont paint me in your corner, ok?  I feel great being just who i am, without needing to judged or acdepted by the NTs of the world.  they can either take me or leave me, i could give a damn; let em all jmp off the lemming cliff; i'll sit and watch in amazement and fascination!


Acceptance is the least of our problems - Autistic rights is about access to services, discrimination in society (for instance, in being denied work due to interview skills rather than job skills), and against genetic testing designed to wipe out Autism.

Perhaps I should just ask the question - what is it that you seek?

EvilZakkie Wrote:

mikegeo Wrote:
haha  an "aspie rights cause"  are you kidding?  this is inferior in concept.  it's an assunption that we are less than NTs.  UGH!  you are looking in the mirror from the wrong persective, in my opinion.  yours is a cracked mirror, but, it does not have to be.  unless you prefer to play the victim, be my guest, but dont paint me in your corner, ok?  I feel great being just who i am, without needing to judged or acdepted by the NTs of the world.  they can either take me or leave me, i could give a damn; let em all jmp off the lemming cliff; i'll sit and watch in amazement and fascination!


Acceptance is the least of our problems - Autistic rights is about access to services, discrimination in society (for instance, in being denied work due to interview skills rather than job skills), and against genetic testing designed to wipe out Autism.

Perhaps I should just ask the question - what is it that you seek?


youre changing the subject;  stop victimizing aspergers, its a self propogating philosophy that creates more problems than it solves;  its this very mentality that is the cause of discrimination in the first place. you are looking at aspergers from an NT viewpoint.  you may as well be an NT.  wake up to the revolution of thinking outside the NT box!  you bolster dicrimination if you view us as not equal.  I believe we are equal, and more, in many ways.

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mikegeo Wrote:
youre changing the subject;  stop victimizing aspergers, its a self propogating philosophy that creates more problems than it solves;  its this very mentality that is the cause of discrimination in the first place. you are looking at aspergers from an NT viewpoint.  you may as well be an NT.  wake up to the revolution of thinking outside the NT box!  you bolster dicrimination if you view us as not equal.  I believe we are equal, and more, in many ways.


Then I'll ask you again - what is it that you are aiming towards?

You've criticised many approaches, but you have yet to offer one of your own.

rossco Wrote:
Mikegeo I think you Shamshir and Timelord should all go to a tea party together


*grins* I was thinking the exact same thing... Of course, they'd all end up strangling each other by the end of the day...

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