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I had a disturbing experience in an autism support chatroom yesterday. An NT parent came to the room to ask for some advice about her autistic daughter. The daughter was 10 years old, had high functioning autism, and had good language skills. The mother was asking how she could get a hysterectomy for her daughter! She said that as "she will never have kids anyway, it makes sense to just get rid of it". The other people in the room, and myself were horrified by the womans attitude, we tried to explain to her that her daughter is so young, and could still develop emotionally, and intellectually, that it would be inhuman to take away her rights, and mutilate her in that fashion. I told her outright that I was very disturbed with her attitude. She replied "theres nothing wrong with my attitude", and try as we might to get across to her that is was unnecessary and wrong to even consider such action, she was dismissive of us. I would sincerely hope that (as she was in the US), that she would not be able to find a surgeon who would do such a thing. It highlights to me the importance of getting our message across to society that we are not "broken" or "damaged" items that need altering or fixing by them.
oh my god thats horrible.  i also hope they don't actually manage to get it done o.o
I wish I could at least say "The road to Hell is paved with good intentions" but I can't. I can't follow the logic of this parent. What "good" is she hoping to bestow on her daughter? I can't think of anything.

Poor girl Sad
Pardon my French, but that bitch has probably brainwashed her daughter already. Like my mom tried to do to me.




Hopefully, she won't find someone to do that, and some information will be pounded into her thick NT skull, if there's anything in there already.

ADoyle Wrote:
This is just sick! If the child is high-functioning autistic, there's no reason that without the proper therapies that she shouldn't be able to live on her own and even raise a child. My parents were told a similar thing that I wouldn't be able to live outside of an institution, but they had the sense not to believe what was told 28 years ago. I'm doing fine, except I have no firm diagnosis of either high-functioning autisim or Asperger's and from what I've researched, my non-professional opinion is that AS is very likely. I've always had problems socially, and when I was mainstreamed in th 3rd grade, I was the one that the whole school picked on.

My academic performance was always very high, and because of that, nobody paid attention to the social difficulties, except I had speech therapy until my freshman year of high school. In college, things were often a struggle because of severe testing anxiety, and it took 4 years to get an AA, and I couldn't get through for a BA. Because I did so well in school up until transfering to CSULB, I never thought I would qualify for the disabled student services program.

Anyway, I feel that what this mother is doing is abusive, just because her daughter has a disability doesn't mean that she can't take care of a child. How selfish! I seriously doubt any doctor would agree to this mutulation because this is just wrong and highly unethical. If she's in America, this could be a violation of the Americans with Disabilities Act, if that law also protects disabled people from being sterilized against their will.


there have been cases of parents appealing to the courts under human rights (believe it or not) to get sterilisation "in order to protect their dignity" and/or ABA.

A case I found in a similar vein-

"The parents of a 13-year-old Tasmanian autistic girl have insisted that she was losing her dignity because an application to have her sterilised had been rejected. The application for Laura Ferris to have a hysterectomy was supported by a paediatrician, a gynaecologist, a psychologist, a psychiatrist and a Family Planning doctor. But it was rejected by the Guardianship and Administration Board.

The family said on August 26 that they were unable to afford a court appeal. But Laura's mother, Sue, declared that she and her husband did not want to see their daughter lose her dignity and, because she was assessed as equivalent to a 14-month-old child, she was unable to cope with her menstrual cycle. She said that stopping their daughter menstruating was the main reason behind their sterilisation bid, although preventing a potential pregnancy was also relevant.

"Every time I have to change her [hygiene products] I feel terrible," Mrs Ferris said. "If she were not disabled, would she, as a 13-year-old girl, want someone changing her? The answer would be no, so why should she have to put up with that because she is disabled? It is a quality of life issue. Without a hysterectomy, she always needs someone to be changing her. Even by using a contraceptive pill, someone is always going to have to be there to give it to her."

Laura has a severe variant of late-onset autism known as childhood disintegrative disorder and her mother maintains that she did not understand what changes her body was going through as a teenager and probably never would. Laura does not speak, has extremely limited communication, is hyperactive and dislikes wearing clothes. She has only just learned to use a knife and fork.

The wider picture is more complex, however. A Tasmanian-based advocacy group, Women With Disabilities Australia (WWDA), says that hundreds of Australian women and girls with disabilities had been unlawfully sterilised and that the procedure was a violation of human rights if done without consent.

The Hobart-based WWDA said that parents struggled with scant government support, making sterilisation seem the best option to many.

Mrs Ferris, herself, believes that a hysterectomy is the best thing to allow Laura to cope with menstruation. "To me it is a dignity issue for Laura," she said. "Doctors have told us about the contraceptive pill and devices and we've looked at those, but I'm not happy with the pill and someone would have to give it to her every day for maybe 40 years. I believe the pill has risks, too. I would rather spend the money we would need for a court case on a really good doctor."

There is something deeply saddening about a battle over such a major personal decision (and medical operation) in which the protagonist herself is unable even to express her own views on the matter. But this instance also highlights the profound concern of most parents of autistic children over their offspring's future independence - or lack of it."

This is the link to this story- http://www.autismconnect.org/news.asp...e=2&id=5076
Hi Tali, the daughter had not been asked her opinion on it at all, it was the mother's opinion, it had not been discussed with the daughter.

You said " I want to share something from my own experience. I am having a LOT of trouble saving up money to get a vasectomy for myself, and my parents don't have any money to contribute."

Do you mean a hysterectomy or sterilization? Vasectomy is sterilization for men. Fear of crime should not let you want to lose your right to fertility, you are still very young, I would strongly advise against such a procedure at your age, you may feel very differently when you are older.  Sad
Its callled human rights, a child has the right to be protected, a 10 year old can not make a life long decision at that age, they couldnt even go ot the cinema and watch a film with swearing, so how could they choose NEVER to be allowed to have kids?
Yes, they wouldnt listen to a 10 year old who said she wanted to have a hysterectomy, and quite rightly.
Can I ask how old you are?

Amy Wrote:
Can I ask how old you are?


Of course you can!

I asked your age cos you mentioned before that your mother had said you would feel differently by a certain age, and you said you didnt.
The woman was in the USA, she wasnt a troll or vandal either.
If she was 19, there is a chance that in 20 years better medication could be available that would enable her to carry a child.

Also wouldnt she want sterilization not actually a hysterectomy.
That was such a terrible crime, she had a lot of other options. Sad

Subatai_Baadur Wrote:
To ask the obvious question, how could a person that horrible ever get a child?


Perhaps unfortunately, you don't need to pass a test in order to reproduce.

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