I use to let people think what they liked; if I disagreed with them I just kept quiet and thought 'there's no point in arguing'. More recently I've tried to stand up for what I believe...but it's diffcult. Often I'll put things the cross the wrong way; or end up annoying people. I think the trick is to know what things are worth fighting for and what things are petty and unimportant. It's not worth a relationship braking down because of something trivial.
What do other people think of you?
I'm not sure I want think about that one...lol
People rarely see a person inexactly the same way; and sometimes we can have very contradictory feelings toward someone.
Some see me as a loyal and devoted friend; to others I'm an idiot...or clever; or a two-faced back stabber.
In the end it's not worth worrying about what others think. Just do what you feel is right and hope others will see that's what you're trying to do.
I don't know what to think. I used to believe that I knew but now am not so sure because if somebody tells me I am their best friend and then seems to side with a person who has given me a hard time it is so confusing and will take much time to sort out in my mind.
I use to let people think what they liked; if I disagreed with them I just kept quiet and thought 'there's no point in arguing'. More recently I've tried to stand up for what I believe...but it's diffcult. Often I'll put things the cross the wrong way; or end up annoying people. I think the trick is to know what things are worth fighting for and what things are petty and unimportant. It's not worth a relationship braking down because of something trivial.
What do other people think of you?
I'm not sure I want think about that one...lol
People rarely see a person inexactly the same way; and sometimes we can have very contradictory feelings toward someone.
Some see me as a loyal and devoted friend; to others I'm an idiot...or clever; or a two-faced back stabber.
In the end it's not worth worrying about what others think. Just do what you feel is right and hope others will see that's what you're trying to do.
I don't know what to think. I used to believe that I knew but now am not so sure because if somebody tells me I am their best friend and then seems to side with a person who has given me a hard time it is so confusing and will take much time to sort out in my mind.
It’s difficult sometimes. Do you place loyalty to an individual above fairness? Should you side with a friend simply because they’re your friend…irrespective of the rights and wrongs of a particular situation? In the past I would have said no; but now I’m not so sure.
Perhaps loyalty should come first...as it’s not always easy to determine what’s fair. Under such circumstances we must fall back on what we know about a person and their character in order to make a decision; otherwise we can spend a huge amount of time untangling a mess of arguments and counter arguments. I suppose that’s where I’ve gone wrong in the past. I’ve got bogged down in detail and not considered the personalities involved.
I do think however that it’s possible for friends to disagree without the friendship falling apart completely…if it’s a strong friendship.
I think loyalty is the number 1 thing. That's something I wouldn't see any compromise on.
Exactly, and fairness is often a matter of perception. Unfortunately, sides do have to be taken sometimes and you can't please everybody.
Exactly, and fairness is often a matter of perception. Unfortunately, sides do have to be taken sometimes and you can't please everybody.
I’ve learnt that to my cost…
Fairness is (as you say) often a matter of opinion; disloyalty is wrong regardless of which way you look at it. In a war both sides use information provided by a traitor; but in the end he’s hated just as much by those he spies for as those he spies against.
Oops, I meant to say that some people got very cross with what they saw as their trust being betrayed and they are not just going to "move on" to make things easier for you. This is because they have to work through their feelings and this takes a long time.
Oops, I meant to say that some people got very cross with what they saw as their trust being betrayed and they are not just going to "move on" to make things easier for you. This is because they have to work through their feelings and this takes a long time.
This is getting rather personal…
As I recall, it took only the smallest disagreement for me to be branded a traitor; and it was the subsequent alienation and loss of faith that ultimately led to my ‘betrayal’…as you call it.
I don’t think there’s likely to be any ‘moving on’…not now or in the future.
People can think what they like about me; I don’t expect them to make things easier; I’m sure they won’t.
Ah, it wasn't a small disagreement - in fact it was a very fundamental one and that's why it really hurt. I don't know if there is any way the others or myself can convey the real meaning or whether there is any point anyway.
I just found it annoying that you'd say we could go over to the Island and "vent all we like and move on" when the real issues were just papered over and never resolved.
^ Apologies for my last post; I think perhaps I wasn't in the right state of mind to take criticism...and so should have kept my mouth shut.
The first misunderstanding was cleared up - this other thing was to do with siding with Lucie and against others of us even when we provided ample evidence to show the harm she was capable of doing. We never did tell you that you ought to go to the dark side either and so you see, it isn't my fault or anybody else's about that.
Quickduck, I don't know what more evidence you needed of Lucie's nastiness - I would have thought when I posted up that PM where she threatened me would have been ample. And if that wasn't, surely when it came out that she incited Logical Conclusion to ring WFM, that would have. And why I'm very irritated is that you told me on a number of occasions you'd cut off contact with Lucie and all the while I don't think you had any intention of doing such.
The others are aggravated for various reasons as Lucie created much trouble for them and yet they also feel that you were prepared to forgive her anything even when at the same time you were saying she was pestering and well-nigh stalking you.
By the way, when it looked as if she was about to be banned and then you said something about letting her off the hook for the umpteenth time and I said "how wussy is that?" - I didn't mean you were wussy - I meant the idea that we should just roll over and take more abuse was. I thought that when you said you didn't want to discuss the matter any further it meant that you had no further interest in mending fences.
The stuff about getting into Tigger's Photobucket is rather worrying and I really didn't think you'd do something like that so I find that really confusing.
So, hopefully now I've got this stuff off my chest, I can start to put the past behind me. Trying to cover it over was like covering over a sore with a band-aid and having it apparently heal whereas underneath, it was still infected.
Ah, Logical Conclusion was only 20 years old and could not have been expected to have the same level of judgement as a more experienced person, especially a very manipulative older person who used people who were on the outer as their own personal patsies.
I guess I felt exasperated that my warnings were not believed. I wouldn't have said them lightly. I'm usually fairly good at picking fakes and phonies.
Ah, Logical Conclusion was only 20 years old and could not have been expected to have the same level of judgement as a more experienced person, especially a very manipulative older person who used people who were on the outer as their own personal patsies.
I guess I felt exasperated that my warnings were not believed. I wouldn't have said them lightly. I'm usually fairly good at picking fakes and phonies.
I wasn’t aware of Logicalconclusion’s age…
I use to think I was good at judging people; but recent events have shown me that I most certainly am not. I didn’t expect any of the stuff that happened; didn’t expect people to respond the way they did. You would have thought that by age 34 I would be better at such things.
I do realise that the warnings you gave were done so out of concern for me; and I do appreciate it (even if I didn’t say so at the time).
Thanks. I guess that other women would have been more suspicious about her motives. Strangely enough, she sometimes said some things that made a lot of sense. It almost seemed as if she had at least two distinct personalities.
She didn't lock horns with me until I made some very exasperated (and maybe somewhat rude) posts in reply to various of Shrek's ramblings last year. I felt irritated beyond endurance by the sexism and ableism that he seemed to express and constant repetition of various stories and didn't appreciate being told to STFU.
It doesn't meant I hate Shrek and I will be the first to concede he also makes some very good posts on occasion. But I'm trying to get him to see that at times he can be his own very worst enemy and every time I think I might be getting somewhere I realise after a while it's like talking to a wall.
The trouble is, he's started up again and I'm getting a bit aggravated. I doubt he'll ever find anybody, which I suppose is a bit of a shame.
Yes he is, and I can well understand why his previous girlfriend threw a drink over him.
I wonder why you didn't want to marry her. Did you think she was joking?
Well Shrek, I doubt there is much hope you'll meet anybody who comes up to your almost impossibly high standards.
So a man has to be ready to face life (drive and be able to earn money) and a woman doesn't?
What if he stumbles and falls? She can't help him if she can't help herself! Let alone any kids she wants to have!
She had better not become a widow.
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I felt Saturday like I was with someone I had known for quite some time. It was comforting.
She is heavier than I am and people on the Washington Post blog suggest that you would need attractiveness in a relationship, but I think two could learn to live without it.
Nevertheless, the two must be able to take care of each other.
No, I wasn't saying that - I was just saying it's pointless to expect a person on SSI and with limited funds to get a job and a car.
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