07-30-2004, 08:58 PM
07-30-2004, 10:56 PM
thankyou for posting that
haven't read over it properly but i will over the weekend as you said
keep up the good work
haven't read over it properly but i will over the weekend as you said
keep up the good work
08-04-2004, 11:27 PM
Thank you,
I enjoyed that
I enjoyed that
08-07-2004, 05:39 PM
Thank you to both of you for taking the time to read and respond.
I'm sorry it took me so long to post this thanks. I got lost, and I think that I tried sending Gareth an e-mail or private message and may have messed up.
About the story, this past week, some of it has become kind of eerie for me. The first thing is that I had an incident (not on this message board) where I realized that just because others are Aspies doesn't automatically mean we will treat each other nicer than NT's treat us.
The second, and harder to deal with thing, is from family members. I tried to write to explain it, but it would take too long and be too messy. It's just that even in a group of persons like oneself, a person can end up being "odd person out".
Anyway, thanks for taking the time with me.
I'm sorry it took me so long to post this thanks. I got lost, and I think that I tried sending Gareth an e-mail or private message and may have messed up.
About the story, this past week, some of it has become kind of eerie for me. The first thing is that I had an incident (not on this message board) where I realized that just because others are Aspies doesn't automatically mean we will treat each other nicer than NT's treat us.
The second, and harder to deal with thing, is from family members. I tried to write to explain it, but it would take too long and be too messy. It's just that even in a group of persons like oneself, a person can end up being "odd person out".
Anyway, thanks for taking the time with me.
08-07-2004, 11:17 PM
life of brian:
BRIAN - You are all individuals
CROWD (in chorus) - Yes, We are all individuals
SINGLE VOICE - I'm not
I also am odd man out, in family, in schooling, in OC class (high IQ) in almost everything. So what do you do, should an eagle pretend to be a pigeon, or take out the talons and watch the feathers fly?
BRIAN - You are all individuals
CROWD (in chorus) - Yes, We are all individuals
SINGLE VOICE - I'm not
I also am odd man out, in family, in schooling, in OC class (high IQ) in almost everything. So what do you do, should an eagle pretend to be a pigeon, or take out the talons and watch the feathers fly?
08-09-2004, 09:58 PM
You wrote: "So what do you do, should an eagle pretend to be a pigeon, or take out the talons and watch the feathers fly?"
I don't know if you were asking for an answer, or if it was just rhetorical (think that's the word).
I have been facing this myself. There is a part of me that just wants to dive into my creativity and not come back out for anyone, not even the few people who I know truly care for me. Then there is the part of me that is scared to try anything, because I AM afraid I will want to get totally lost and not come back.
I don't know.
There was an article that that I read recently, saying that Michelangelo was Asperger's, but, the way it was worded, think the term "social cripple" was actually used, really made me angry. I guess a lot of the male visual artists, and maybe some musicians, well, maybe even scientists, are accused of going off into their selves and being horrible with others. I don't want to be horrible with others, but, I know that it takes away from my creativity when I'm trying to be more social. And, I'm female, not supposed to want to be disconnected.
I don't know if you were asking for an answer, or if it was just rhetorical (think that's the word).
I have been facing this myself. There is a part of me that just wants to dive into my creativity and not come back out for anyone, not even the few people who I know truly care for me. Then there is the part of me that is scared to try anything, because I AM afraid I will want to get totally lost and not come back.
I don't know.
There was an article that that I read recently, saying that Michelangelo was Asperger's, but, the way it was worded, think the term "social cripple" was actually used, really made me angry. I guess a lot of the male visual artists, and maybe some musicians, well, maybe even scientists, are accused of going off into their selves and being horrible with others. I don't want to be horrible with others, but, I know that it takes away from my creativity when I'm trying to be more social. And, I'm female, not supposed to want to be disconnected.
08-09-2004, 11:30 PM
I guess I don't know myself whether or not an answer was expected whether is a difficult word, bad enough weather-whether confusion but wether also exists which is a neutered ram,)
My mother is artist, woman, most probably aspergers or if not at least decided in the spectrum. She has found it difficult, her way of speaking is too high brow, she is not ethnic enough, she can't or won't play politics effectively. She just does her thing.
I think artists must be honest. For us this is a way of being, of course an Aspie can lie and pretend, but we all feel more comfortable when we don't have to. Humans will feel more comfortable when they do. That is why many artists are aspies, perhaps, because they are honest without being cruel. They paint their pictures (both in reality and metaphorically) warts and all.
As for a woman being expected to be more connected, it is not about what society expects, it is about what you expect. Forget their straight jackets, throw off their social conventions. You ARE the eagle.
My mother is artist, woman, most probably aspergers or if not at least decided in the spectrum. She has found it difficult, her way of speaking is too high brow, she is not ethnic enough, she can't or won't play politics effectively. She just does her thing.
I think artists must be honest. For us this is a way of being, of course an Aspie can lie and pretend, but we all feel more comfortable when we don't have to. Humans will feel more comfortable when they do. That is why many artists are aspies, perhaps, because they are honest without being cruel. They paint their pictures (both in reality and metaphorically) warts and all.
As for a woman being expected to be more connected, it is not about what society expects, it is about what you expect. Forget their straight jackets, throw off their social conventions. You ARE the eagle.