03-08-2007, 02:36 PM
03-08-2007, 02:55 PM
Hon. Gentleman Wrote:
On the health front, children with autism desperately need osteopathy on the NHS and parents are calling for answers on what causes autism...
Um.... is he talking about Autism? - I think he's gotten his conditions mixed up. Why would we need Osteopathy on the NHS?
Wikipedia Wrote:
Osteopathy is a school of medicine which emphasizes the role of the musculoskeletal system in health and disease. Osteopathy emphasizes a holistic approach and the skilled use of a range of manual and physical therapies (Osteopathic Manipulative Medicine, or OMM in the United States) in the prevention and treatment of disease, particularly, but not solely, joint, muscle and nerve problems, such as back, neck and head pain
03-08-2007, 03:07 PM
I guess he think geek postures are a problem, lol.
03-08-2007, 03:10 PM
Impair imagination!?!
Are they still going on about that stupid gibberish?!!!!
Are they still going on about that stupid gibberish?!!!!
03-08-2007, 05:50 PM
What the... osteopathy? What?
That is a perfect example of an ill-informed moron.
The whole discussion seems full of them, just typical.
That is a perfect example of an ill-informed moron.
The whole discussion seems full of them, just typical.
03-11-2007, 04:26 PM
I think Lee Scott is absolutely right to refer to (Cranial) Ostepathy in the major debate on Autism in parliament last week. Many parents with autistic children and children who have Asperger's Syndrome do take them to ostepaths who offer cranial osteopathy:
In Infants and Children
Cranial Osteopathy can be used effectively to treat conditions such as colic and other digestive problems, sleeplessness, breathing difficulties, restlessness and irritability, and ear, nose and throat problems including glue ear and help with misshaped heads of infants.
Developmental delay
Down’s syndrome, ADHD, autism, cerebral palsy, epilepsy
Recurrent ear infections
also see Hale Clinic view:
Autism
Imagine that the messages you are receiving from the world are so scrambled and distorted that ordinary things just don’t make sense. Your world is a jigsaw puzzle of scattered pieces. This is what daily life can be like for people with autism. Not surprisingly, when you can’t understand clearly what’s going on and you can’t communicate effectively with anyone, you retreat into you own world, turning away from speech and avoiding eye contact. You fid it hard to understand other people’s feelings, and other people find it hard to understand you.
Autistic children and adults try to cope in a number of ways. In an attempt to create order from the jumble of their senses, the may develop obsessive patterns of behaviour – insisting on going the same way, doing the same things. Or they may develop apparently irrational fears.
It is usually parents who first notice “something strange” about their young child’s behaviour. He or she may not play imaginatively with toys or other children, seems indifferent to what’s going on, and/or talks “at” people in an odd, repetitive way, paying little attention to their responses. Some autistic children also behave in a challenging way, screaming or biting and kicking other people, perhaps because they are anxious and frightened. One theory is that autistic children are supersensitive to certain sounds, which can make them irritable, frustrated and even hysterical. “It’s as though he’s permanently at an airport and hearing through the loudspeaker system”, said one mother about her autistic son.
For autism is far more than a problem of behaviour. It is a complex and variable form of disability affecting four times as many boys as girls. Three quarters of autistic children also have learning difficulties or other disabilities; while a tenth have a special skill such as music or art.
There are different theories about what causes autism. Research shows that a range of conditions – from maternal rubella (German measles) and lack of oxygen at birth, to complications of childhood illnesses – can affect brain development before, during or after birth. Other experts believe that the M.M.R. (measles, mumps and rubella) vaccination or food sensitivity may be to blame, although this is a highly controversial area. There is also a school of thought that over-compression of the skull during birth has caused head pain, which autistic children may try to relieve by head banging. From a bioenergetic or “healing” perspective, autism is the manifestation of a great imbalance of energies at a cellular level. Healers describe these as “very low-power energies over a wide range of frequencies which affect electrical, magnetic and chemical processes in the body”.
Whatever the cause, the result is a sensory-processing disorder, so that the autistic person receives information in a distorted and disorganized fashion, in turn disrupting their ability to communicate. It’s vital to spot autism early in a child’s life if they are to be helped out of their isolation – and if their families are to receive the necessary support.
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Many children with autism and Asperger's Syndrome are also being seen at the Princess Diana Children's Centre for Ostepathy in Clerkenwell, London - there is a huge demand for this.
Now the NHS does not offer Cranial Ostepathy - many parents have to find the money to pay for therapies.
We admire Lee Scott MP for bringing this up in parliament - it is only one of a range of therapies which should be made available for children on the autism spectrum and children with Asperger's Syndrome. He has the support of many of us who have found this therapy useful.
In Infants and Children
Cranial Osteopathy can be used effectively to treat conditions such as colic and other digestive problems, sleeplessness, breathing difficulties, restlessness and irritability, and ear, nose and throat problems including glue ear and help with misshaped heads of infants.
Developmental delay
Down’s syndrome, ADHD, autism, cerebral palsy, epilepsy
Recurrent ear infections
also see Hale Clinic view:
Autism
Imagine that the messages you are receiving from the world are so scrambled and distorted that ordinary things just don’t make sense. Your world is a jigsaw puzzle of scattered pieces. This is what daily life can be like for people with autism. Not surprisingly, when you can’t understand clearly what’s going on and you can’t communicate effectively with anyone, you retreat into you own world, turning away from speech and avoiding eye contact. You fid it hard to understand other people’s feelings, and other people find it hard to understand you.
Autistic children and adults try to cope in a number of ways. In an attempt to create order from the jumble of their senses, the may develop obsessive patterns of behaviour – insisting on going the same way, doing the same things. Or they may develop apparently irrational fears.
It is usually parents who first notice “something strange” about their young child’s behaviour. He or she may not play imaginatively with toys or other children, seems indifferent to what’s going on, and/or talks “at” people in an odd, repetitive way, paying little attention to their responses. Some autistic children also behave in a challenging way, screaming or biting and kicking other people, perhaps because they are anxious and frightened. One theory is that autistic children are supersensitive to certain sounds, which can make them irritable, frustrated and even hysterical. “It’s as though he’s permanently at an airport and hearing through the loudspeaker system”, said one mother about her autistic son.
For autism is far more than a problem of behaviour. It is a complex and variable form of disability affecting four times as many boys as girls. Three quarters of autistic children also have learning difficulties or other disabilities; while a tenth have a special skill such as music or art.
There are different theories about what causes autism. Research shows that a range of conditions – from maternal rubella (German measles) and lack of oxygen at birth, to complications of childhood illnesses – can affect brain development before, during or after birth. Other experts believe that the M.M.R. (measles, mumps and rubella) vaccination or food sensitivity may be to blame, although this is a highly controversial area. There is also a school of thought that over-compression of the skull during birth has caused head pain, which autistic children may try to relieve by head banging. From a bioenergetic or “healing” perspective, autism is the manifestation of a great imbalance of energies at a cellular level. Healers describe these as “very low-power energies over a wide range of frequencies which affect electrical, magnetic and chemical processes in the body”.
Whatever the cause, the result is a sensory-processing disorder, so that the autistic person receives information in a distorted and disorganized fashion, in turn disrupting their ability to communicate. It’s vital to spot autism early in a child’s life if they are to be helped out of their isolation – and if their families are to receive the necessary support.
____________________________________________________________
Many children with autism and Asperger's Syndrome are also being seen at the Princess Diana Children's Centre for Ostepathy in Clerkenwell, London - there is a huge demand for this.
Now the NHS does not offer Cranial Ostepathy - many parents have to find the money to pay for therapies.
We admire Lee Scott MP for bringing this up in parliament - it is only one of a range of therapies which should be made available for children on the autism spectrum and children with Asperger's Syndrome. He has the support of many of us who have found this therapy useful.
03-11-2007, 04:32 PM
Some philosophying "researcher" told you this?
03-11-2007, 10:27 PM
Anyone could use a good relaxing head massage, Autistic or no, but:
Quote:
From a bioenergetic or “healing” perspective, autism is the manifestation of a great imbalance of energies at a cellular level. Healers describe these as “very low-power energies over a wide range of frequencies which affect electrical, magnetic and chemical processes in the body”.
I don't really think if evidence enough to make something worth spending taxpayers money on, when the NHS is already holding back genuine lifesaving drugs from people who really need them
03-12-2007, 12:19 AM
Ryuujin Wrote:
Anyone could use a good relaxing head massage, Autistic or no, but:
Quote:
From a bioenergetic or “healing” perspective, autism is the manifestation of a great imbalance of energies at a cellular level. Healers describe these as “very low-power energies over a wide range of frequencies which affect electrical, magnetic and chemical processes in the body”.
I don't really think if evidence enough to make something worth spending taxpayers money on, when the NHS is already holding back genuine lifesaving drugs from people who really need them
wiki had this to say about crainal osteopathy:
Cranial osteopathy
It has been suggested that this section be split into a new article entitled Cranial osteopathy. (Discuss)
Main article: Craniosacral therapy
Cranial osteopathy, although well-established,[4] is a contested issue within the profession; it is not known what proportion of osteopaths are practitioners. Cranial osteopaths are trained to feel a very subtle, rhythmic shape change that is present throughout the head and body. This is known as the involuntary mechanism or the cranial rhythm. The movement is said to be very subtle, and it takes practitioners with a very finely developed sense of touch (palpation) to feel it. This rhythm was first described in the early 1900s by Dr. William G. Sutherland.[5] The theory underlying cranial osteopathy is rejected by many osteopaths and orthodox medical doctors because it was previously understood that cranial bones fuse by the end of adolescence. However, histological studies have demonstrated the presence of Sharpey's fibres between the adjacent bones forming the sutural margins, and it is known that these specialised fibres form only at areas where tissue movement is allowed. It is, of course, accepted by most modern osteopaths working within the cranial field, that the spheno-basilar symphysis (a large joint in the skull base) does indeed ossify (turn to bone) and the original principles of cranial osteopathy have thus evolved alongside increasing knowledge. Cranial osteopathic teaching refers to movement remaining within the thin bone of the sutures, and that flexibility within living bone occurs, in contrast to dried specimen bones. The brain does pulsate, but some research suggests this is related to the cardiovascular system.[6] The same study looked at inter-operator reliability of palpating the 'cranial rhythm' and found there to be little agreement, although modern understandings in the cranial field describe a number of simultaneous rhythms with differing rates, relating to different aspects of function.[citation needed]
How this mechanism is related to health/disease has not been scientifically established. Some osteopaths believe that healing dysfunctional cranial rhythmic impulses enhances cerebral spinal fluid flow to peripheral nerves, thereby enhancing metabolic outflow and nutrition inflow. Many without direct experience of the benefits of treatment dismiss cranial osteopathy as pseudo-science. However, patients of cranial osteopaths have reported emotional releases, lightness and buoyancy, and visualizations. This technique is increasingly being recognised as especially suitable for newborn babies and young children, with particularly good results in the treatment of colic and crying.[citation needed] It is claimed that as their bones have not fully fused and hardened, they are more susceptible to the treatment.[citation needed] All in all, this practice appears to be popular with patients with an increasing demand for experienced practitioners.
Craniosacral therapy is based on the same principles but the practitioners are not qualified osteopaths, and do not have the same depth of training in the clinical sciences and differential diagnosis. Chiropractor & Osteopath, M.B. Dejarnette further developed craniopathic techniques inside of a complete Chiropractic system known as Sacro-Occipital Technique or simply "S.O.T."[7][8]
03-12-2007, 09:31 AM
"pseudo-science" seems to be the key term.
"Some osteopaths believe that healing dysfunctional cranial rhythmic impulses enhances cerebral spinal fluid flow to peripheral nerves"
Just because "some osteopaths believe" does not make something true.
Plus what makes them think enhancing "cerebral spinal fluid flow to peripheral nerves" is a good thing?
I have nothing against helping people relax, but there must be a more cost efficient way of doing it.
Perhaps regular workshops in massage for the children's parents would be a better option.
"Some osteopaths believe that healing dysfunctional cranial rhythmic impulses enhances cerebral spinal fluid flow to peripheral nerves"
Just because "some osteopaths believe" does not make something true.
Plus what makes them think enhancing "cerebral spinal fluid flow to peripheral nerves" is a good thing?
I have nothing against helping people relax, but there must be a more cost efficient way of doing it.
Perhaps regular workshops in massage for the children's parents would be a better option.