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Lili Marlene Wrote:
I will never understand why any NT person and any AS person would want to marry. I could understand such a couple having a fling, just for curiosity's sake, but marrying? You can't be truly in love if you don't truly understand the other person, and ....

I think it's a sad thing that books like these have a market.


My NT Husband and I (aspie) have been married 33 yrs and are still madly in love. He is my most perfect person!  We don't expect you to understand it!  We are not married to you.

GuessWho Wrote:
Yes, I would feel let down if I ended up marrying someone to stay at home, whether or not she is doing all the chores under the roof.  I would prefer someone who was interested in the kinds of things I wonder about and who can sympathize every bit as much with money coming in and going out, because she's my partner in breadwinning too.  You can call that sexist if you like.

I understand that being able to keep house is a self esteem consolation if somebody wouldn't offer you a job with a ten foot pole.  Mom had a very comfortable retirement but was dying of cancer, and in no shape to drive or lug groceries.  I had commitment and an education but I was occupationally untouchable.  We had a mutually-beneficial relationship out of sheer necessity.  My brother had a computer programming career from the get go (1990 to now).  He was out making his own way.  That's what Dad said to do.  And I would have if I could have.  The only thing that makes sense is God forcing me to stick around, because my brother certainly did not.

Mom was a legal secretary before I was born, and a certified genius.  I'm sure she did not appreciate the post-professional life, I think that's why she developed an affection for liquor.  However I'm sure she was happy with us, I had Asperger for certain, brother maybe, but we were also gifted, and both employed by the time she died.

I actually have lived in the real world on my own for nearly five years (I was sharing expenses with Mom, but she is dead).  I know something about money coming in and going out.  

I know many women are content to stay home and dedicate themselves 24/7 to the kids.  Sometimes these wife-mothers think, "Money?  That's your problem, dear."   As long as he has a job and suffers no incapacity, fine.  

Sustainable living is everybody's problem.  Whether she works or not.  On a global scale, it is the problem of every man woman and child.  If something happens to our fossil-fuel-powered agricultural sector (like climatic change or the end of cheap oil), a few billion people are going to die, if not from starvation or disease, from killing one another over food.

You may take issue with whether or not I think I'd be better off with a comparably-productive, comparably-intelligent single female professional.  In my world all the women in it are professionals.  But in my judgment it is better that a household have two competent, and yes, professional adults, in case one is down for a while.  

Because things happen, that's life, and that's marriage.  A partnership.


I was the bread winner for 5 years while both my husband and I went through law school.  When we had children , I hired a housekeeper and had one ever since.and i was a stay at home mom and worked part time off and on.  My income paid for the housekeeper, autos, and private after school lessons for our children.

I don't think your statement is sexist just uneducated about stay at home parents or women.  I agree both parents need to have had a career and/or degree to support their children if something happens to the other spouse. We both come from widowed mothers.  Our daughter is an economist on Wall Street and soon to be married.

quickduck Wrote:

Jean-Pierre Wrote:

jewelie Wrote:
one of them gets pregnant, gestates, and gives birth, whereas the other does not.
Not that I care, but where does that fit in with your equal marriage partners theory?


My goodness !! Women want to praised all the time !

OK OK .... you have the ability to have a baby created in your belly !

Good incubator ! LooooooooL !



Yes, look up the word incubator.

Men and women are equal but different.

A stay-at-home mum is just as valuable as a hard nosed career women. Perhaps more valuable--if value is judged on rarity--since stay-at-home mums seem to be rarer these days.


I have been both and have male friends who are stay at home dads (one is  my accountant).   Anyone who looks down on stay at home parents either do not have children or are not very good parents , just guardians, and they hire someone to love their children when they do not want to do so.(this does not include parents who HAVE to work)  Stay at home parents are priceless!

jewelie Wrote:

Pakrat Wrote:

Have you considered that some women are actually happy just pottering around the house and garden and might indeed like to make them nice for their partner and family. I think you fall prey to the idea that people who aren't in the paid workforce are not as worthwhile as others.

It's also a form of inverted sexism ie. no longer do women have the "choice" to have it all - now they are getting obliged to do it all. Even in families with both parents in the paid workforce, the bulk of domestic tasks tends to fall to the woman to do.


Terribly well said.

Whenever I hear my husband tell someone that I don't work, I have to remind him how much money he would be shoveling out to someone to do the things that I do for free:  24/7 childcare for four year old, clean house, do laundry, pay bills, etc.  Yes, I do get room and board for these things, but no one else on earth would do them for just that.

I really, really like that phrase "inverted sexism."  Thanks again!


let me remind people that there are over 200,000 + at home fathers.. I think the numbers have grown since I learned this 7 yrs ago.  I have several at home dad friends.. all have degrees and all chose to stay home...  One is an ex special forces sargent who is also a history teacher. You cannot buy love.  "THINGS" do not replace a parents or grandparents hug after school when things did not go well.

I think its the ignorance of those who have always worked and did not care for children. I hope their children who have both parents working remember them when they are old and will put them in Senior Day Care !!  What comes around , goes around.

Noetic Wrote:

Sjöjungfru Wrote:
I've heard of a book called Autism/Asperger's: solving the relationship puzzle by Steven E Gutstein. Has anyone here read it?

That's more for parents than for partners, it's more about explaining friendships etc. to kids than about adult relationships.


Yes I read it.. my psychiatrist had me read it.. I read just about everything on the subject, since I have been diagnosed 2 months ago at the age of 55

Yetti Wrote:

GuessWho Wrote:
Yes, I would feel let down if I ended up marrying someone to stay at home, whether or not she is doing all the chores under the roof.  I would prefer someone who was interested in the kinds of things I wonder about and who can sympathize every bit as much with money coming in and going out, because she's my partner in breadwinning too.  You can call that sexist if you like.

I understand that being able to keep house is a self esteem consolation if somebody wouldn't offer you a job with a ten foot pole.  Mom had a very comfortable retirement but was dying of cancer, and in no shape to drive or lug groceries.  I had commitment and an education but I was occupationally untouchable.  We had a mutually-beneficial relationship out of sheer necessity.  My brother had a computer programming career from the get go (1990 to now).  He was out making his own way.  That's what Dad said to do.  And I would have if I could have.  The only thing that makes sense is God forcing me to stick around, because my brother certainly did not.

Mom was a legal secretary before I was born, and a certified genius.  I'm sure she did not appreciate the post-professional life, I think that's why she developed an affection for liquor.  However I'm sure she was happy with us, I had Asperger for certain, brother maybe, but we were also gifted, and both employed by the time she died.

I actually have lived in the real world on my own for nearly five years (I was sharing expenses with Mom, but she is dead).  I know something about money coming in and going out.  

I know many women are content to stay home and dedicate themselves 24/7 to the kids.  Sometimes these wife-mothers think, "Money?  That's your problem, dear."   As long as he has a job and suffers no incapacity, fine.  

Sustainable living is everybody's problem.  Whether she works or not.  On a global scale, it is the problem of every man woman and child.  If something happens to our fossil-fuel-powered agricultural sector (like climatic change or the end of cheap oil), a few billion people are going to die, if not from starvation or disease, from killing one another over food.

You may take issue with whether or not I think I'd be better off with a comparably-productive, comparably-intelligent single female professional.  In my world all the women in it are professionals.  But in my judgment it is better that a household have two competent, and yes, professional adults, in case one is down for a while.  

Because things happen, that's life, and that's marriage.  A partnership.


I was the bread winner for 5 years while both my husband and I went through law school.  When we had children , I hired a housekeeper and had one ever since.and i was a stay at home mom and worked part time off and on.  My income paid for the housekeeper, autos, and private after school lessons for our children.

I don't think your statement is sexist just uneducated about stay at home parents or women.  I agree both parents need to have had a career and/or degree to support their children if something happens to the other spouse. We both come from widowed mothers.  Our daughter is an economist on Wall Street and soon to be married.


Addendum:  With all the educational letters behind my name, I don't think I want for interests or not to be interesting..Just ask my husband who is an NT and equally brilliant if not more!  Question is... are you interesting to an accomplished stay at home mother?!  Women and men like me are very picky. I was.. hence I found my most perfect person with 33 yrs of a wonderful marriage.  I am sorry you see rasing children as a project for ne'erdo wells. My best friends all have Phds , and MDs and they are all stay at home moms. One is an NT and the other is an undiagnosed aspie Geophysist.. Another the third one speaks 4 languages and is very accomplished..

I think it falls more who you associate with ...

Our best friends daughter is a yale grad and Columbia Law school grad and she is staying at home for their new baby.

The list goes on... and then there are the male stay at homes Smile

That is all? hmmmmmmm

How about all the hoopla about not liking stay at home parents and declaring them one point from a moron level?  Wanna compare IQ's and accomplishments?  And this is from a woman who stayed at home for her child.

GuessWho Wrote:
Senior Day Care... Fortunately Mom had less than two months of it, the very end.  Without me in the picture that would have been a fact much sooner.  

Deep down inside I do regret not having been there the last three months.  I just didn't know how close she was.  I tried to ask her and ask her doctor, the doctor wouldn't tell.  In retrospect I could have taken Family and Medical Leave Act, perhaps the lease I had was the deciding factor against taking a sabbatical.  

No, I never experienced much day care.

I would never go out with a guy looking for women on the internet. That is my rule... I transferred it from my rules from the old days of not going out with guys looking for girls from bars... Its all the same!


Yetti Wrote:
That is all? hmmmmmmm

How about all the hoopla about not liking stay at home parents and declaring them one point from a moron level?  Wanna compare IQ's and accomplishments?  And this is from a woman who stayed at home for her child.

GuessWho Wrote:
Senior Day Care... Fortunately Mom had less than two months of it, the very end.  Without me in the picture that would have been a fact much sooner.  

Deep down inside I do regret not having been there the last three months.  I just didn't know how close she was.  I tried to ask her and ask her doctor, the doctor wouldn't tell.  In retrospect I could have taken Family and Medical Leave Act, perhaps the lease I had was the deciding factor against taking a sabbatical.  

No, I never experienced much day care.

I have to leave for a while.. but an addendum: If you know little about day cares then how are you to judge stay at home parents?  Do you even have children? Are you even married? Once? Twice? Thrice? Just curious how you come to these conclusions about stay at home parents as being no brainer morons, if you know nothing or little of parenting and/or marriage?

Yetti Wrote:
I would never go out with a guy looking for women on the internet. That is my rule... I transferred it from my rules from the old days of not going out with guys looking for girls from bars... Its all the same!


Yetti Wrote:
That is all? hmmmmmmm

How about all the hoopla about not liking stay at home parents and declaring them one point from a moron level?  Wanna compare IQ's and accomplishments?  And this is from a woman who stayed at home for her child.

GuessWho Wrote:
Senior Day Care... Fortunately Mom had less than two months of it, the very end.  Without me in the picture that would have been a fact much sooner.  

Deep down inside I do regret not having been there the last three months.  I just didn't know how close she was.  I tried to ask her and ask her doctor, the doctor wouldn't tell.  In retrospect I could have taken Family and Medical Leave Act, perhaps the lease I had was the deciding factor against taking a sabbatical.  

No, I never experienced much day care.

Aeolienne Wrote:

Yetti Wrote:

Noetic Wrote:

Aeolienne Wrote:
I've heard of a book called Autism/Asperger's: solving the relationship puzzle by Steven E Gutstein. Has anyone here read it?

That's more for parents than for partners, it's more about explaining friendships etc. to kids than about adult relationships.

Yes I read it.. my psychiatrist had me read it.. I read just about everything on the subject, since I have been diagnosed 2 months ago at the age of 55


Your psychiatrist regards you as a kid at 55?!

Aeolienne FKA Sjöjungfru


read again.. I was diagnosed two months ago, at the age of 55 with aspergers.  What does that have to do with being a kid?  In 1956, they did not diagnose kids with aspergers back then...Hence so many adult women are not diagnosed.

Wikkipedia has lots of errors. and since when are you an expert on marriage?

GuessWho Wrote:
I will take this Wikipedia post as sufficient evidence that it is necessary to be neurologically compatible with your mate, either an Aspie or Autie or at least a cousin.  I think my past bipolar girlfriends meet the criteria for cousins.

Wikipedia Wrote:
Wikipedia: Autistic Culture

Tendency to marry within the group
Popular misconception has it that autists never marry because they haven't enough social perceptiveness or ability to interact intimately or fulfill the demands of a marriage. In fact, many autists do pursue relationships and commitments. Even those who do not feel the desire to have a sexual relationship might pursue marriage out of a need for companionship. Among those who do not, it is as likely to be through choice as through lack of ability.[citation needed]

There is a tendency for an autistic person to choose an autistic partner, because shared interests and similar personality types are more often found within the group.[citation needed] Multi-generational autistic families are not uncommon. For instance, Paul Collins in Not Even Wrong describes traits in himself and his wife, and in various family members, which might today be described as characteristic of autism. While Collins reports being very happily married, such unions don't always work out; Donna Williams writes extensively in her autobiographies of her brief marriage to an autistic man, and how it did not work out because the "defenses" each of them possessed -- psychological adaptations to having grown up autistic in a non-autistic world -- were detrimental to the other's happiness or autistic needs.

Some autists find non-autistic partners. An example of a marriage of a man with Asperger Syndrome to a non-autistic woman is that of Christopher Slater-Walker in the UK and his wife Gisela.[1].

<--- aspie married happily to an NT for 33 yrs. Our daugther is 25 , engaged and very happy. Nuff said.


GuessWho Wrote:
I will take this Wikipedia post as sufficient evidence that it is necessary to be neurologically compatible with your mate, either an Aspie or Autie or at least a cousin.  I think my past bipolar girlfriends meet the criteria for cousins.

Wikipedia Wrote:
Wikipedia: Autistic Culture

Tendency to marry within the group
Popular misconception has it that autists never marry because they haven't enough social perceptiveness or ability to interact intimately or fulfill the demands of a marriage. In fact, many autists do pursue relationships and commitments. Even those who do not feel the desire to have a sexual relationship might pursue marriage out of a need for companionship. Among those who do not, it is as likely to be through choice as through lack of ability.[citation needed]

There is a tendency for an autistic person to choose an autistic partner, because shared interests and similar personality types are more often found within the group.[citation needed] Multi-generational autistic families are not uncommon. For instance, Paul Collins in Not Even Wrong describes traits in himself and his wife, and in various family members, which might today be described as characteristic of autism. While Collins reports being very happily married, such unions don't always work out; Donna Williams writes extensively in her autobiographies of her brief marriage to an autistic man, and how it did not work out because the "defenses" each of them possessed -- psychological adaptations to having grown up autistic in a non-autistic world -- were detrimental to the other's happiness or autistic needs.

Some autists find non-autistic partners. An example of a marriage of a man with Asperger Syndrome to a non-autistic woman is that of Christopher Slater-Walker in the UK and his wife Gisela.[1].

My mother an aspie married to my NT dad for 40 yrs till he died at 61.. now married 25 yrs to my step dad who is NT.. He visits her everyone morning in the nursing home .. she is dying of alzheimers.

Nuff said.


Yetti Wrote:
<--- aspie married happily to an NT for 33 yrs. Our daugther is 25 , engaged and very happy. Nuff said.

Should I send all this to Wikkipedia.. My grandmother an aspie was married till death do them part to my NT grandfather till he died at 84


GuessWho Wrote:
I will take this Wikipedia post as sufficient evidence that it is necessary to be neurologically compatible with your mate, either an Aspie or Autie or at least a cousin.  I think my past bipolar girlfriends meet the criteria for cousins.

Wikipedia Wrote:
Wikipedia: Autistic Culture

Tendency to marry within the group
Popular misconception has it that autists never marry because they haven't enough social perceptiveness or ability to interact intimately or fulfill the demands of a marriage. In fact, many autists do pursue relationships and commitments. Even those who do not feel the desire to have a sexual relationship might pursue marriage out of a need for companionship. Among those who do not, it is as likely to be through choice as through lack of ability.[citation needed]

There is a tendency for an autistic person to choose an autistic partner, because shared interests and similar personality types are more often found within the group.[citation needed] Multi-generational autistic families are not uncommon. For instance, Paul Collins in Not Even Wrong describes traits in himself and his wife, and in various family members, which might today be described as characteristic of autism. While Collins reports being very happily married, such unions don't always work out; Donna Williams writes extensively in her autobiographies of her brief marriage to an autistic man, and how it did not work out because the "defenses" each of them possessed -- psychological adaptations to having grown up autistic in a non-autistic world -- were detrimental to the other's happiness or autistic needs.

Some autists find non-autistic partners. An example of a marriage of a man with Asperger Syndrome to a non-autistic woman is that of Christopher Slater-Walker in the UK and his wife Gisela.[1].

GuessWho Wrote:
You are right, I cannot say for certain if I never will attract a single NT woman even though I can match them on things such as intelligence, educational level and interests, basic personality, character, employment stability, and income.  

It only hasn't happened YET.

I only have one dating manager's opinion and anecdotal evidence from my life and the lives and opinions of others on this board.

I guess it is obvious I studied social science, huh, before the Web design and computer programming?



I agree .. be picky.. I was.. intelligence is very important for me and my husband, personality adn character and yes employment stability is a must and not even questioned..and yes income.   To me every parent should have the ability to provide for their children they produce.. since you want no children, there is no reason for anyone to stay home...unless their business is at home or your wealth is such someone is needed at home to manage all the investments .  That makes no sense for someone to stay home if they do not have children >  Iwould not tolerate it either...  I feel judge on those merits and not NT or aspie..

GuessWho Wrote:
Hey, you marrieds, cool down.  On a separate tack, my parents were married 39 years before bone cancer got Dad, and Mom lived 6 more years before breast cancer got her.

It can happen, but was hard for them.  Two years ago my maternal aunt said when Mom and I saw her in 1993, Mom was having a trial separation, but returned after Dad's cancer diagnosis was firm.

Dad:

1991: Lost all teeth
1993: Multiple myeloma first diagnosed
1995-1996: Hospice
1996: March, comatose, revived, died September 26

Mom:

1987: benign tumor
1994: first surgery
1999: second surgery
2001: chemo
2002: unable to help pay bills by August, put in care facility mid-December
2003: died February 3

My own cancer experience 1997:

January: Swelling, wondered how it kinda looked like the boners in Aerosmith videos
Late February: Painful swelling
March: Proper diagnosis, emergency surgery, one week ordered not to report to work
April: begin radiation
late May: end radiation
June: confirmed eliminated, 95+% cure rate
late June: found new temp job

2004: Final screening with original doctor, advised self checks and counseled by primary care doctor

2007: Still alive and recurrence statistically unlikely, but still check


Dang you have cancer so young! Health is so important ..take care of yourself.

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