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Marieke Wrote:
GuessWho... On the one hand you claim that you need an Aspie or cousin to understand and love, but then on the other hand there's no such person in your life because you can't understand and accept their life choices and such... can't accept them for who they are. As I've said before, I think one of the most important things in marriage is communication and trying to understand the other person. Respect is important and that includes respecting the other person's decisions as to whether to get a job or not. Now, honestly, those women might have not been the right women for you, but that means that you've got even less business saying that Aspies only match well with Aspies and cousins, as so far your experience only suggests that Aspies don't match well with cousins on a long term basis after all. If you want to use your experience to argue against AS/NT relationships, I'd suggest you take the angle of "if even cousins aren't similar to Aspies enough to have relationships work out, then NTs must definitely be too hard".



I think I stated this over and over again, but then again what do I know?

Since you do not like replies.. here are some sites.. easier for me if you argue with the computer screen and email the authors <G>

http://marriage.about.com/od/testsquizze...quiz_2.htm

http://marriage.about.com/od/midlife/Midlife.htm

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez...t=Abstract




<<The variables identified by couples as important to their marriages were: being married to someone they liked as a person and enjoyed being with; commitment to the spouse and to marriage; a sense of humor; and consensus on various matters such as aims and goals in life, friends, and decision making. Husbands and wives were strikingly similar in their responses; thus, men and women perceive the same variables to be critical in the success of long-term marriages.
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YUP TO ALL OF THE ABOVE.. now attack the author of the article <G>

((In  this next article, Don't you think this couple is arrogant?  HOW dare they lie about being happy so many years!) <G>Wink  


http://www.the-tidings.com/2004/0213/marriage.htm

Respect, love and compromise. For Charlotte and Roger Richard, these three little words are crucial to sustaining a long-term marriage --- 61 years.


The Richards were among five couples married 60 or more years honored at this year's World Marriage Day celebration on Feb. 8 at the Cathedral of Our Lady of the Angels, which was presided over by Cardinal Roger Mahony.

The annual event celebrates the life-long commitment of married couples and honors the beauty of their faithfulness, sacrifice and joy in daily, married life. Other longtime married couples included Mr. & Mrs. Jose Arroyo (72 years), Mr. & Mrs. Donald Prideaux (61 years), Mr. & Mrs. Stephen Brewster (61 years) and Mr. & Mrs. Robert Perez (61 years).

The Richards are an example of a marriage well lived. Longtime members of St. Robert Bellarmine Church in Burbank the Richards have two children: Roger, 59, a college professor in Indiana; and Michele, 49, a teacher of mentally handicapped children in northern California. They have one granddaughter, Rachel 20, who lives in northern California.

Making a marriage last is not as complicated as people today claim, the Richards say. After mutual attraction, it just takes basic respect and compromise.

Love at first sight
The year was 1942 and the country was at war --- a war that brought the Richards together and then tore them apart.

Both Charlotte and Roger were in Connecticut working at a factory producing war materials --- Charlotte in the office and Roger as a machinist. Roger was the new guy in town and he immediately noticed "a few nice looking girls in the front office."

But Roger had a girl he was getting serious about back home in New Hampshire so he kept his mind on his work. And Charlotte had a boyfriend so she paid him little attention.

The Richards finally met when a group of co-workers went out bowling one evening. Charlotte says she wasn't so impressed by Roger, but Roger says the attraction was mutual that night.

A group of guys at the factory had a bet on who was going to get the first date so Roger told them "to get their money together" because it was going to be him.

"So I asked Charlotte out," he recalled, "and she said yes. And from then on, that was it."

They've been together ever since.

The Richards were married on Dec. 12, 1942 on the Feast of Our Lady of Guadalupe, after eight months of courtship.

But by February, Roger had received his draft papers and was shipped off to war. Their first child was born while Richard was away. He managed to get leave and make it home the day after his son, Roger, was born and he didn't see his wife or son again for two years.

"When he came home I told our son, 'Here's your Daddy,' and he said to him 'You're not my daddy, my daddy is in that picture.' He just knew his father from the photo, not as a real person," said Charlotte.

"It took some time to convince him I was actually his father," said Roger through laughter.

It was five years before Roger re-joined the family permanently, and both say their love and faith in each other never wavered.

"We missed each other an awful lot. She wrote me every day and I hardly wrote back. I didn't care much for letter writing in those days," said Roger. "But the main thing is love and respect. Marriage is a 60-40 proposition on both sides. You always have to do more than you think you do."

After the war, the Richards moved to California and later had their second child.

Having faith
Both Charlotte and Roger grew up in families of strong faith and continued this tradition in their marriage. Charlotte was Lutheran growing up but converted to Catholicism when she married Roger.

Roger's family was so devout that his older sister, who is 96, became a nun and his 91-year-old brother was headed for the priesthood until he became ill and had to leave seminary. Roger was also set on the priesthood and attended seminary. But he said he realized as a young man that this wasn't his vocation.

"Fortunately I found this out before I finished," he said.

"And it wasn't because of me," piped up Charlotte.

"No," said Roger. "It wasn't the girls that changed my mind. I knew my calling was elsewhere."

This lively exchange personified the spirit and connection between the Richards. After 61 years, they obviously still enjoy each other's company and thrive on the love that they share.

At 82 years of age, they are as active and vibrant as a much younger couple. They travel frequently and are very active in their parish's activities and Roger has been a very active member of the Hollywood chapter of the Knights of Columbus since 1969, holding the office of Grand Knight four times.

The Richards say that a lot of younger couples forget the important part their faith plays in a marriage.

"A lot of young people don't go to church anymore and that's a problem," said Charlotte. "They don't seem to know how to bend and compromise to get through the more difficult times."

Being a faithful Catholic has "helped us have a lot of respect for each other," said Roger. "We pray for each other and help each other. We have had our disagreements but we respect each other's wishes."

The Richards have lived a good life, they say, and for that they are grateful.

"It's been a joyride," said Roger.


(A JOYRIDE???? THAT SOUNDS ARROGANT! I don't believe them... they are covering up! ) Hhehehehehehehe Smile)

Marieke Wrote:

Yetti Wrote:
The revelation: (I need to help others find happiness to life as an aspie Like I did, and I have had only 2 months to learn, assess, ;discover, and try to understand all aspies and be able to handle their needs in a way that will get the messages across in an accepting way)


You don't *need* to help others find happiness to life as an aspie. Also, any trace of arrogance is going to make it really hard for others to accept your wisdom. Furthermore, people are most open to learning when they're actually asking for help... forcing advice down someone's throat is not likely to do any good. Finally, just because you think you see someone having a problem that you can solve, doesn't mean that that person believes they've got a problem... Take Cure Autism Now... they all believe we've got problems that we don't believe we have.

Btw, I'm wondering if you're in a state of hypomania and whether you could benefit from a mood stabilizer. You remind me somewhat of how my husband was when he was diagnosed with bipolar. Depakote did him a lot of good (he agrees it did).

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Then my husband said.. dump this forum and lets go see the new "Harry Potter" <G>  Decisions Decisions.


FWIW... Tell your husband I think he's a wise man... go see the new Harry Potter with him. This forum will still be here tomorrow (I think).



No dear, they give meds to Hyper.. not hypo.. Hypos are basically energetic.. Type A

As for your assessment go bother the authors of those articles which state exactly the same things I do... The only different you can't talk to them <G>  Hehehehe..

I think the arrogance you are infatuated with must be a reflection of yours... Think about it.. and read teh articles...They can help you and your marriage last.

Sure I need to .. as much as any person who has an answer to help others.... <G>  Its called "Making the world a better place". This forum is just not condusive for me to do it.

energeia Wrote:
Yetti--ah, so many twists and turns in your thinking since you encountered the aspie conceptual framework.  And it's interesting that it came about as a result of a health crisis.  

I don't think that you're obligated to help other aspies find their way in life, although sharing your experiences might be really beneficial to some people and give them hope.  It's okay to relax and have fun.  Keeping in mind the qualifier that I don't know you at all, I'm wondering if you could be an enneagram type 1.  Five started a thread on the enneagram, which is one of my current "special interests."
http://www.aspiesforfreedom.com/showthread.php?tid=7677
For a description of enneatype 1, see:
http://www.eclecticenergies.com/enneagram/type1.php

In hopes that some of the below will be helpful, here you go.

Personality Type One: The Reformer
The Rational, Idealistic Type

I now release...

-holding myself and others to impossible standards.
-my fear of losing control and becoming irrational.
-my fear of being condemned for being wrong.
-refusing to see my own contradictions.
-rationalizing my own behavior.
-obsessing about things I cannot change.
-all bitterness and disappointment with the world.
-feeling that other people's beliefs and values threaten mine.
-believing that I am in a position to judge others.
-driving myself and others to be perfect.
-ignoring my own emotional and physical distress.
-feeling angry, impatient, and easily annoyed.
-fearing and disowning my body and my feelings.
-allowing my desire for order and efficiency to control my life.
-automatically focusing on what is wrong with things.
-feeling that it is up to me to fix everything.

I now affirm...

-that I can allow myself to relax and enjoy life.
-that the best I can do is good enough.
-that I am grateful that others have many things to teach me.
-that I can make mistakes without condemning myself.
-that my feelings are legitimate and that I have a right to feel them.
-that I treat others with tenderness and respect.
-that I am gentle and forgiving of myself.
-that I am compassionate and forgiving of others.
-that life is good and unfolding in miraculous ways.

Source: Don Richard Riso
Enneagram Transformations
Release and Affirmations for Healing Your Personality Types
Houghton Mifflin Company, 1993, 129 pages


That is me except I am compassionate about others.. but yes I am a perfectionist... I can judge others character not their souls <G> Big difference...  yes that sounds like ME ME ME ME!

Smile

Onward to Wales, Scotland, Iceland and other far reaches and corners of the world.   I need to get back into diving too... Miss underwater.

My surgeries , I nearly died 2x.  I came close to death adn God and I am at peace with God... but my doctors got on to me for working so soon  , but I recovered remarkably because I took it upon  myself to heal my body correctly... The surgeries were those of nature and not related to my care of my body.  Yes times like that will have one look inside...

Yetti Wrote:

Marieke Wrote:

Yetti Wrote:
The revelation: (I need to help others find happiness to life as an aspie Like I did, and I have had only 2 months to learn, assess, ;discover, and try to understand all aspies and be able to handle their needs in a way that will get the messages across in an accepting way)


You don't *need* to help others find happiness to life as an aspie. Also, any trace of arrogance is going to make it really hard for others to accept your wisdom. Furthermore, people are most open to learning when they're actually asking for help... forcing advice down someone's throat is not likely to do any good. Finally, just because you think you see someone having a problem that you can solve, doesn't mean that that person believes they've got a problem... Take Cure Autism Now... they all believe we've got problems that we don't believe we have.

Btw, I'm wondering if you're in a state of hypomania and whether you could benefit from a mood stabilizer. You remind me somewhat of how my husband was when he was diagnosed with bipolar. Depakote did him a lot of good (he agrees it did).

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Then my husband said.. dump this forum and lets go see the new "Harry Potter" <G>  Decisions Decisions.


FWIW... Tell your husband I think he's a wise man... go see the new Harry Potter with him. This forum will still be here tomorrow (I think).



No dear, they give meds to Hyper.. not hypo.. Hypos are basically energetic.. Type A

As for your assessment go bother the authors of those articles which state exactly the same things I do... The only different you can't talk to them <G>  Hehehehe..

I think the arrogance you are infatuated with must be a reflection of yours... Think about it.. and read teh articles...They can help you and your marriage last.

Sure I need to .. as much as any person who has an answer to help others.... <G>  Its called "Making the world a better place". This forum is just not condusive for me to do it.


Addendum on the need to... I need to... but I don't respond anymore.. I have learned not to rescue people anymore.. Too many in the world who create their own misery and will pull others down..  As my doctors stated... I am going to take more time for myself...

But I must learn about aspergers to help myself and I am learning a great deal quickly...

energeia Wrote:
Yetti--ah, so many twists and turns in your thinking since you encountered the aspie conceptual framework.  And it's interesting that it came about as a result of a health crisis.  

I don't think that you're obligated to help other aspies find their way in life, although sharing your experiences might be really beneficial to some people and give them hope.  It's okay to relax and have fun.  Keeping in mind the qualifier that I don't know you at all, I'm wondering if you could be an enneagram type 1.  Five started a thread on the enneagram, which is one of my current "special interests."
http://www.aspiesforfreedom.com/showthread.php?tid=7677
For a description of enneatype 1, see:
http://www.eclecticenergies.com/enneagram/type1.php

In hopes that some of the below will be helpful, here you go.

Personality Type One: The Reformer
The Rational, Idealistic Type

I now release...

-holding myself and others to impossible standards. ME
-my fear of losing control and becoming irrational. ME
-my fear of being condemned for being wrong. ME
-refusing to see my own contradictions. NOT
-rationalizing my own behavior. NOT
-obsessing about things I cannot change. NOT
-all bitterness and disappointment with the world. NOT
-feeling that other people's beliefs and values threaten mine. NOT
-believing that I am in a position to judge others. Character yes ; soul NOT
-driving myself and others to be perfect.  ME
-ignoring my own emotional and physical distress.  yes and no
-feeling angry, impatient, and easily annoyed.  yes and no
-fearing and disowning my body and my feelings.  NOT
-allowing my desire for order and efficiency to control my life.  ME
-automatically focusing on what is wrong with things.  NOT
-feeling that it is up to me to fix everything. ME

I now affirm...

-that I can allow myself to relax and enjoy life.  ME
-that the best I can do is good enough. ME
-that I am grateful that others have many things to teach me. ME
-that I can make mistakes without condemning myself. NOT
-that my feelings are legitimate and that I have a right to feel them.  ME
-that I treat others with tenderness and respect. NOT
-that I am gentle and forgiving of myself.  ME
-that I am compassionate and forgiving of others.  ME
-that life is good and unfolding in miraculous ways.  ME

Source: Don Richard Riso
Enneagram Transformations
Release and Affirmations for Healing Your Personality Types
Houghton Mifflin Company, 1993, 129 pages


Does that help?

Marike... my psychiatrist and therapists know me well.. It is not needed. Perhaps you yourself need to look into these.  BTw Harry Potter was too busy... we will wait. <G>

WHen was the last time you talked with a psychiatrist or Aspie speicalist?

Look up the word arrogance.  You are misusing it.   I think I just pushed the right buttons for yours to return.. that is all.

Now its attitude.. and yours?  You dissed long term marriages , you claimed I could not possibly have a great long term marriage you diagnosed me as manic depressive adn arrogant and should be on meds.. and where did you get your medical degree?  Or are you using me to talk to yourself?

I would suggest your work on yourself as well. I am not a therapist but I sense jealousy.  That is immature.  All this time you are addressing me when you stated you were helping Guess who ,who you think is in deep dark dispair and about to jump off a bridge or something unless you help him... now who is the rescuer type?

Perhaps you need to focus on you now... your short marriage and I have not seen your credentials have not asserted any merits of any response you give.  I do denote major jealousy.... but that is your problem if you insist on shadowing my posts... and want to diagnose me and tell me what you think of me.. and that is helping?  

IN all honesty I find your information very uneducated, lacking experience, insecure and demanding attention.  

Best wishes to having a long term marriage but then again you don't believe in them. Have u even read the articles?  Oh yes, those articles are by arrogant people thinking they are happy when YOU KNOW long term married people are not .. just arrogant that they think they are Wink


Marieke Wrote:

Yetti Wrote:
No dear, they give meds to Hyper.. not hypo.. Hypos are basically energetic.. Type A


Often they do give meds to people with hypomania as well, because it can escalate into mania or change into depression quite easily. The hypomania itself can sometimes also make you function slightly worse than a neutral state would. W/e.

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I think the arrogance you are infatuated with must be a reflection of yours... Think about it.. and read teh articles...They can help you and your marriage last.


I *know* I've been called arrogant from time to time, although now that you point it out I must say that I'm surprised that it's been a while... But just because I've got a certain flaw doesn't mean that you don't, and it doesn't mean that what I say about it isn't true. Difference is, I'm not here saying that I think I need to fix everybody... I was just having a theoretical discussion about marriage and you decided that you needed to go take stuff personally that wasn't meant like that at all.

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Sure I need to .. as much as any person who has an answer to help others.... <G>  Its called "Making the world a better place". This forum is just not condusive for me to do it.


That's not because of the forum though, that's because of your attitude. There are plenty of people here with genuine questions for help that you could answer (and I've noticed you do). The problem exists when you perceive something as a problem that others don't and insist on "helping" them in rude ways against their will. Really, you can learn to quit doing that. Remember... making the world a better place starts with yourself...

Marieke Wrote:

Yetti Wrote:

Marieke Wrote:
GuessWho... On the one hand you claim that you need an Aspie or cousin to understand and love, but then on the other hand there's no such person in your life because you can't understand and accept their life choices and such... can't accept them for who they are. As I've said before, I think one of the most important things in marriage is communication and trying to understand the other person. Respect is important and that includes respecting the other person's decisions as to whether to get a job or not. Now, honestly, those women might have not been the right women for you, but that means that you've got even less business saying that Aspies only match well with Aspies and cousins, as so far your experience only suggests that Aspies don't match well with cousins on a long term basis after all. If you want to use your experience to argue against AS/NT relationships, I'd suggest you take the angle of "if even cousins aren't similar to Aspies enough to have relationships work out, then NTs must definitely be too hard".



I think I stated this over and over again, but then again what do I know?


So am I wrong now for agreeing or what? Sometimes a person doesn't get something phrased one way but does get it phrased differently... Also, iirc all you told him was that he had no business discussing marriage because he's not in a relationship... what I said was slightly different, though similar.


I think you are mis reading what others have said. You sound like an enabler. Of course you know more than others.. how foolish of me!

Marieke.. we are not like you.  you are relating people to how YOU are not to levels of different relationships.  That is why you do not understand long term marriages.. and you get upset when its discussed and look for evil in them because you have not lived them.  Same with everything else... its an aspie thing , I know...  You take to battle anyone who you see as having something you don't and doing it well.. You nickpick everything they say until there is nothing left.. hence people have stopped referring to you as arrogant.. everyone knows so now you use the same term on others because it obviously bothers you... and it amazes you that it does nothing to other people.. you use the term too loosely.

I am sure I am not the first nor will be last of your shadowing adn targeting someone to tete a tete with on their character...   This can lead to ODD if you continue.. ODD is learned not genetic.  Often coming from ones childhood home life...

You have  disdain for anyone who is happy and try to prove they have some unhappiness or inperfection in their life so their lives and marriages must be a sham... All life is imperfect and I am a perfectionist saying this.. I take into account often imperfection or things do not get done.. My way is to set deadlines... it gets done perfect or not..

But with you , you take on anyone who is happy and full of joy and you want to destroy it, by focusing on tidbit imperfections on life...  this does make an unhappy marriage if you do this...
long term or short.

You cannot handle that there are some people truly happy.. the articles discuss it... I agree with those people and other long term marriage people who are happy totally.. we discuss these things.. and for some reason some people do not want to accept or hear it..  that is YOUR problem, not ours... Some people are genuinely happy.. no one is happy 24/7, but the marriage is long term supporting and full of life.. even with an aspie and nt...  all life is a strife but some of find happiness and fulfill ment in it... I am so so so very sorry it is hard for you to understand.

energeia Wrote:
Thanks for taking the time to respond to the affirmations and the enneagram post, Yetti.  It's true that everyone exhibits the behaviors of all of the types and shares characteristics of all of them, some moreso than others, often.  Nonetheless, there typically are one or two of the type fixations that dominate.  They constitute areas of challenge and possible growth.  My Mom is a Type 1, so I'm fairly familiar with it.  And I have tendencies in that direction, although it's not my dominant type.


What is your type .. I forgot!


My daughter is  a type A personality so is my husband but they are NTs .. But they are not type 1... but I know they have found my type one to be beneficial to the family... many times...   My daughter is learning so much about aspies due to my diagnosis... now she is finding them all over NYC lol...    

her fiancee is a sweetie!  He is now losing his hair and she is worried its because of stress.. I think its just that stage in life for him and his genes.. but she could be right.. he is stressed.. he has a high stressed job... we are all anxious for him to get his transfer to Manhattan so they can get married... he is too..  They have dated for 2 yrs.. engaged for one.  Talk about frustrations and marriage.. they both said.. How can UK and USA do this to them!  It is hard for relationships from different countries when it comes to resident regulations.. our friends are telling us about that.. poor things... He has dyslexia and we think he is ADD.. but he is a sweetie and very successful and family oriented. my daughter thinks the world of his family...

energeia Wrote:
Thanks for taking the time to respond to the affirmations and the enneagram post, Yetti.  It's true that everyone exhibits the behaviors of all of the types and shares characteristics of all of them, some moreso than others, often.  Nonetheless, there typically are one or two of the type fixations that dominate.  They constitute areas of challenge and possible growth.  My Mom is a Type 1, so I'm fairly familiar with it.  And I have tendencies in that direction, although it's not my dominant type.


My mom is a type one too.. .but I differ.. I know I make mistakes and admit them.. I always appologize to my family if i did make a mistake.. it is a rule in our home... I think balance is important in life and we take time for ourselves to destress... My daughter does... my husband does not.. I have to make sure he takes his massages ,exercise etc.. my daughter is upset he depends on me... his parents did not raise them to work with their bodies.. but he has his sailboat which I support because its helps with stress..

My husband said I am more positive and affirming than my family and I find solutions and more often than not successfully getting to the bottom of problems.. he and I try not to point fingers at each other , but unite to work together to fight a problem.. .that is called respect adn compromise... we made little rules for ourselves at the beginning of our marriage and it has proved to be successful..

Not at empty nestdom, we are even closer than before...l

he always worried I worked myself to death... so I am taking breaks now.. Smile  they were earned believe me. I do  yoga , and many relaxing exercises and we do theraputical massages each month.. exercise is a part of our daily living. .(I have to push my husband some) I put the tv on the exercise machines.. that is the only place we are allowed to watch tv.. no tv before exercise. <G> My daughter loves that rule.

Marieke Wrote:

Yetti Wrote:
her fiancee is a sweetie!  He is now losing his hair and she is worried its because of stress.. I think its just that stage in life for him and his genes.. but she could be right.. he is stressed.. he has a high stressed job... we are all anxious for him to get his transfer to Manhattan so they can get married... he is too..  They have dated for 2 yrs.. engaged for one.  Talk about frustrations and marriage.. they both said.. How can UK and USA do this to them!  It is hard for relationships from different countries when it comes to resident regulations..


I used the fiancee visa almost 3 years ago. It took iirc about 3.5 months for it to get approved. Marriage visas take longer iirc, and I don't know about work visas. You can look on USCIS website to see how long the processing times for different visas at different places are. The fiancee visa comes with the catch that you have to get married within three months after arriving in the US, and since it's hard to predict when exactly you'll get to the US planning the wedding can be somewhat stressful. We didn't care too much though... we cared about the marriage, not the wedding, plus only my parents and brother would attend from my side of the family anyways. The other disadvantage of a fiancee visa is that not many people use it so it's relatively hard to find info on how to fill out all the forms. Anyway, this of course is only relevant if he hasn't applied for a visa yet.


I am the MOM!  I don't get involved <G>  But I listen to their woes.. His work is arranging his visas... and he has family in USA... We help when asked..  I know how to be a good mom in law <G> We stay OUT of their business.. But we get calls everyday .... My daughter knows that I am not intrusive, and I have a life of my own... I will probably be diving in my 80s. LOL

I want to be a good aspie grandmother. My grandchildren can do no wrong, don't you know <G>  If one has aspergers, I will find the best schools and training ,and I will be there for them as they wish only... I know my daughter appreciates our experience and wisdom, she calls regularlly for advice as does our niece and nephew... They ask.. we share.. its up to them to figure it out...

But if they have aspie children... I know they will need me and my husband, she told us so just today... My  husband takes this all with a grain of salt. it has concerned my daughter about the genetics.
They have stated eventually they will end up back in London or Paris. more than likely Paris.. which is fine by me... French was my minor in college and i was good at it.. so it gives me something else to master.. and I get along with all cultures.. never had problems with traveling to staying at other places..
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