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I have no idea why they are using autistics as scapegoats. Is there some mass agenda going on politically right now to hate on aspies? I don't understand. That article was very convoluted and contradictory throughout and I couldn't tell if the writer was for or against, however we are actually less likely to be involved in crime, and many autistic specialists know that.

how she twists and twirls Wrote:
Whiskey. Tango. Foxtrot.


It's a serious topic but thank you for causing me to laugh out loud at that phrase.

Since serial killers, masacres and murders and everything grisely that goes on these days is so lauded and written about, I would like to see someone who is good with statistics compare the incidence of so called AS criminals to NT and sociopaths.

I bet that there would be a greater number of crimes committed by NT's and people with other psychotic disorders than those with AS.

The world is a great big melting pot and so the randomness of everything that happens means that someone with something in common with a specific group is going to act up sooner or later. I'm just sad that these so called "experts" have chosen to demonise AS, when AS individuals have so much to society as a whole and have proven beneficial in so many vital fields.
I am an American, just not a Bushie.

America is bigger than Bush.  Bush has less than two years in office but America will last forever, unless some of our zealots turn this country fascist.   If they do, I might visit one of your countries, one way.  Or investigate political asylum in Finland because my grandfather was an immigrant.

My other fear is we tank the economy with a runaway national debt, now that we're off the gold standard.  Divide all the gold and silver by the number of dollars and that dollar is less than half of a penny.  213 to one.

Uh, I thought a country's citizens paid for its government, not foreign investors.

The only threat to the existence of America are American extremists.  If we never forget what we stand for, we can be nuked germed or poisoned to death and the last survivors will fight for what we stand for.  

I seem to remember a little bit of British history.  Churchill and the Battle of Britain, 1940.  Bring it on, Adolf, you can bomb us, but you won't beat us.  Blood, toil, sweat, tears... we will never surrender.

Something to remember in this day and age.


bipolarbear Wrote:
the idiot who wrote this might benefit from reading.

http://samvak.tripod.com/journal72.html



they put more money in war then they ever put into the social wellbeing of their citizens.

this is just stupid.

btw, bush has killed people.

Virginia, terrorism, gun control, and mental illness

Was on edge almost 12 hours when I heard that Virginia was going to ban gun sales to people with mental illness.

It seems to apply to those forced to seek treatment, not those seeking it on their own.  

Still, imagine the possibilities.  Can't be drafted for combatant military service, cuz my home state won't let me buy a gun.
Actually, long-term mental health treatment for depression would be a serious issue when the lives of fellow soldiers are at stake.   I think history suggests that combat makes many people break, and I think some of us would break first.
I think Cho was made to take outpatient mental health treatment by a Virginia court.  The fact that he was not detained in a treatment facility let him buy a gun.  

My brother spent a week at Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, in 1990.  Long enough to figure out that the Corps of Cadets, and his Air Force ROTC scholarship in electrical engineering, were not for him.  Having to live like a cadet 24/7, too much.  But he started his 16-year computer programming career two months after dropping out.

GuessWho Wrote:
Actually, long-term mental health treatment for depression would be a serious issue when the lives of fellow soldiers are at stake.   I think history suggests that combat makes many people break, and I think some of us would break first.


I think you're right, especially since autistics/aspies would suffer the most from PDSS. (Post Dramatic Stress Syndrome)

This is a joke right? Please, someone tell me this is a joke! My mother would have flipped out on this dude.
Tha Heck?

Was this guy dropping?

Dude. Look just because I have dislike with Humanity in general does not equal me to mass murder. Ick, I don't like illegal activty either I won't dirty my hands

Obsidian Wrote:
Is there simply no such thing as evil to the modern world anymore?


Haven't read the entire thread yet so if someone has already pointed this out forgive me.

Good and Evil are nothing more than philosophic bull$^&@!  They're about as real as a 144 legged biped!! Sorry about the outburst, but it's true, the only thing even remotely close that actually exist are order and chaos, and neither have any form of moral connection in any way shape or form.

You too?  My mother's side is from Sweden and Finland.
Mom's dad was George Ylen, an immigrant at the age of 2 from Finland (1902?  At the time the Russians ruled Finland and Poland)

George was understandably upset after the Soviet-Finnish war in 1940:

"Rachel, when you get older, you and I are going to get a gun and kill all the Russians because they are devils"

and Mom, about five, repeated that in school, and much later, to me.



bipolarbear Wrote:
a funny thing is that i have never met a american who likes bush.
my mothers side are from finland.
i am born in finland and have been living in sweden for much of my life.

The president scares me, bipolarbear.  Please tell me in a private message more about the killing people (aside from the obvious causalties in Afghanistan and Iraq), do you mean 9/11?

bipolarbear Wrote:
btw, bush has killed people.

I think in my lifetime I'll see a connection between Muslim terrorists, school bullying, and school shooting.

Max the Bear Wrote:
Autistic Serial Killers?
By: Robert Moran[/size]

Autistics are the perfect serial killers. At least that is what J. Arturo Silva and several colleagues have stated in a series of papers on the psychopathology of autism, written for the Journal of Forensic Science and the Journal of Forensic Psychiatry.

Silva states that Jeffrey Dahmer and Ted Kaczynski may have had Asperger's. In Silva's report he states that Dahmer and Kaczynski both seemed aloof when dealing with other people. One of the characteristics of Asperger's is that we often forget that other people have feelings, and it is true that serial killers don't put much importance on the feelings of their victims. How could they when they are usually dismembering their victims or dispatching them in an even more emotionally remote fashion: mail bombs?

[Uh... maybe they were sociopaths? Does that maybe make more sense for serial killing terrorsits and canibals? ]

While most autistics forget about other people's feelings, there are often times that we remember.

Silva states that most serial killers often have repetitive behaviors, a characteristic of Asperger's, especially in the ritualistic manner that they kill.

[So do people with OCD and so do people with several other psycal conditions. Why presume Asperger's?]

The pathology of autism is the one thing all pathological disorders have in common. [What?? That makes no sense whatsoever!] We are often unable to empathize with others. I, for one, am no exception.

I can think of various examples where this has happened, perhaps too many to count.

Psychopaths, because of their delusional states, are often never cognizant of the feelings of the people around them, yet autistics can learn to recognize that others do have feelings through behavioral training and because we do not suffer from delusional behavior.

We're not crazy. We just lack common sense. [???? How ****** up is this guy???]

While Silva's claim may be plausible, it is also possible [ try "certain"...] that serial killers may have some other psychopathological disorder. Autism is referred to as a pathological disorder. It is often called autistic psychopathy. It shares several characteristics with schizophrenia including obtuse, ritualistic behavior. But while other pathological disorders also can create delusional states, autistics do not suffer from them.

While most psychopaths, a word which is derived from the word psychopathology, are dangerous criminals, autistics for the most part are the victims of crime.

Without knowledge about the nature of autism, reports such as Silva's can be. Such misunderstanding may unfairly cast a dark shadow over the autistic community.

Still, there is a link between Asperger's and crime, as some recent court cases have shown. But while those cases did not involve psychopathic behavior, the link is still evident

These cases, though sensational, can be dangerous and useful at the same time by creating fear in people who have not encountered someone with Asperger's, but also by creating awareness about the disorder.


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excuse me a second

WHAT THE BEEP! IS THIS BEEP?! IV'E NEVER SEEN SOMETHING FOR FULL OF BEEP! THAN THIS BEEP! ING BEEP! BEEP! BEEP!

Tongue
seriously though what is this guy going to do? lock us all away because we could be possible murderer's? I bet this guy was employed by CAN so that they can put about how our foetus's should be aborted so that we can't be future psychopaths!
Idiots

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