Jerry said "I sent the attitude expressed by a vocal minority of self-appointed, internet "experts" that they, because of their diagnosis, are exempt from taking any compromises at all and are entitled to live on public support, partially paid for by working people like me who have the same condition but are willing to meet society in the middle."
Is he saying that any of us who has an opinion on AS on the internet is living on welfare? Does he think that there are none of us in a job, or have children to care for?
He seems to think that there is a huge dividing line between autism and AS, and everyone with AS is very capable of getting a job, and those with autism cant get a job.
He needs to do some research and recognise that with spectrum conditions there are vast differences in ability, and a huge amount of people who would love to have a suitable job and cant get one!
His attitude is patronising and fairly ignorant, quite sad really.
Post any response if you can Bonnie.
His attitude has certainly put me off that Mozart and the Whale film, if he does publicity for the film, and spouts that kind of negative attitude, it will does us all harm.
"Man, what were they smoking? A book on aspie sexuality without homosexuality!"
I concur!
Hello Billie, you said " What baffles me is why does this issue have to be a battle? Why can't everyone just respect the feelings of others and agree to disagree."
As we have a very small voice compared with the vast vocal majority of parents who do belive that autism needs to be cured, then we have the right to state our opinions clearly, some people have never heard of the notion that autism can be positive in some respects, and a valid way of living without having some kind of cure.
One prime example of this, is when a member, TheASman, made a protest at a NAAR walk, he was the only one there protesting, not shouting or battling, but showing posters and being visible.
There were hundreds of people there supporting NAAR, raising money to find a cure, he was shouted at, spat at, and threatened, a woman spoke to him who was new to the idea of people on the spectrum not wanting to be cured.
Without his presence some people would never know that some of us felt that way.
If some kind of cure is produced, what pressure would there be on people to take it, would people be given a choice, would it be forced, should we wait until a cure is found and then battle?
I see it more as raising awareness than battling.
Welcome to AFF Jerry, I'm glad you are able to put your viewpoint across.
I havent read your book, but I was told about the lack of alternative sexuality content, its a real shame that it wasnt allowed to be included, an honest realistic book does need to be made, maybe one day it will
What are your feelings on the JRC, we have an ongoing campaign against their use of the aversives, and what is blatantly abusive treatment, any ideas on what we can do to halt these goings on?
I dont know if there's any unspoken rule, but it seems that anything put on the internet can be linked to at least, or copied and pasted.
I think the exceptions would be pasting more than an excerpt of a book, or representing someone's word as your own, or presenting a fake or distorted quote.
I think its common for information to be spread around the net in this fashion.
Jerry said "When I said, "They have my vote", I meant AFF, not the curebie parents they are fighting."
I took Crystal's original quote as meaning that anyway, I think the puppet comment was about something else.
With the book, I know that many are written intended more for the parents, than those on the spectrum themselves, but when the book is written by someone with AS there is an expectation that it is from someone with AS to other aspies or auties. As you have said your book was directed more to parents, so that may have caused more disappointment in people's mind, also though, I think it is vital that parents are given the truth anyway about LGBT issues. I once mentioned the higher rates to a parent and she was horrified. :roll:
Concerning the JRC, do you think that having a protest outside the school would raise awareness in the public mind of what is happening there?
Has it been tried before?
We are having a meeting tonight in the AFF chatroom at 9pm GMT, if anyone can attend to discuss these matters.
It is very hard though to get NT parents to acknowledge the reality of aspie and autie adults. A member of AFF who posts on another forum had many posts deleted on the discussion of the fact that some aspie adults do not like NTs. The parents couldnt belive that this was true, and felt it was just a troll.
When I stepped in to defend the fact that it was true, my thread was also deleted - there are none so blind as those who will not see.
I think its as simple as this-
If someone wrote a book on HUMAN sexuality they would have to include something on LGBT issues, right?
So the same goes for a book about aspies and auties sexuality.
From the many people on the spectrum that I've met there are greater numbers of LGBT people, maybe some people dont ask that question, I often do.
Jerry said " I still have seen no proof from Stella or anyone else that our peerage is more inclined to have alternative sexual lifestyles. I actually would not be surprised if it is true but let's see some evidence."
Thats because scientific studies havent been carried out for it, so scientific evidence isnt available, its the facts of meeting people that gives a strong impression.
If scientists were working on a cure for LGBT issues in autism then no doubt there would be reams of scientific data on it :roll:
What is your next book about Jerry, can you discuss it yet?
Just out of curiousity - can you not publish the LGBT chapters in the public domain?
If you don't have a website i'd be more then happy to host the chapters as PDF files in the AFF library. if you're interested in this just let me know via PM or e-mail
Good luck with that book, like your sig :wink:
So you have support groups dotted around your area?
If so, did it take long to establish?
One of our aims at AFF is to have offline groups, not just support, but as a small part of the community to be based in real life.
We have one set up in North Wales, and working on others.
Here's what i'll say:
First, homosexuality itself is not a choice - how many people decide one day "hmm, i think i'll become gay" ? In order to make a choice you must have some preference already. In other words, someone who chooses to be gay is already gay.
As for anal sex being un-natural: If you define natural as vaginal sex with the goal of producing offspring, then it is indeed unnatural. But so are a lot of things which are commonly accepted. In a way, it is more natural for the individual homosexual. Stating that something is unnatural is often done to suggest it is somehow wrong/immoral. This is a logical fallacy called "the appeal to nature". Ethics is concerned with prevention of unrequired suffering, not of keeping everything the same as it is "in nature".