Aspies For Freedom

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Are there any nationalists here?

If so, what sort of nationalist are you, and where are you? What struggle does your country face?

National Communism eh? Yeah, I think that North Korea is probably better than they make out.

I like countries which resist. Libya, Iran, Cuba and North Korea are the four countries in the world which do not have a Rothschild controlled bank.

There are examples of nationalists who have been pretty wonderful.

Eva Peron, Ionnis Mextaxas (a Greek fascist who wanted to model Greece on national socialist Germany, but never killed a single political dissident, did not persecute Jews and resisted Mussolini!) and perhaps Mahatma Gandhi.

No, I am not a communist who is all talk, but I will forgive you for thinking that.

I am a member of the British National Party. I have lost job opportunities because of this, good opportunities. We are a persecuted political grouping. I have, and am, walking the walk.

We will nationalise Britain's economy incrementally, gradually.

http://www.bnp.org.uk

There is an article on the site, entitled, "Worker-ownership in a capitalist economy", which explain how we would do it. Much better than North Korea/Cuba et al.

I do not agree with much of the above.

Dreadful photo of John Tyndall in Nazi uniform. He founded not just the BNP but the National Front as well and he never denied that he had been part of an extremist paramilitary organisation.

The Nazi's ideas were sound except that they blamed 'the Jews' and other minorities and put science above morality.

I do not think that the BNP do that. Instead they place the blame where it should be - on the failure of the Establishment parties. I like their policies. I like the party.

I prefer their policies to the other political parties. Capitalists and socialists have nothing to offer me.

If there is concern about the BNP then perhaps a more moderate alternative needs to be created?

I think that they will do well in the next election.

Sure, but then again, you are a Trotskyite aren't you?

The SSP (Scottish Socialist Party) is a Trot party. I am sorry about your party's recent misfortunes.

However, if I look at your party's manifesto, it does seem to be rather threadbare. It all seems to be about tax and spend. What about property rights? Does your party believe that people have the right to hold and inherit private property?

BTW I feel no political threat from your brand of socialism, and I am a democrat. I think that you should be engaging with democracy, and I applaud your efforts towards that end.

To me the real left are the anarchists:

Groups like this are doing more good that the Trots and the Nationalists are right now:

http://www.radicalroutes.org.uk

What do you think of the above organisation? I have a lot of respect for what they are doing.

Are there any nationalists here?

Nationalism to me means worker-ownership and co-operative economics with race as a peripheral issue.

for the bnp member:

any claim you have of being a 'working class party' is total bullshit. your leader's a millionaire who started out in politics as a member of the young conservatives. you have a few other millionaire members as well, who probably made their money out of exploiting workers (like all capitalists). one of your main sources of recruitment is the conservative party (one of your councillors in huddersfield defected from the tories), the traditional enemy of the working class.

you don't recognise that the majority of immigrants and descendants of immigrants in the UK are also working class, and are being screwed by politicians and bosses, whether right or left.

those of similar ideology have, in the past, been pretty vocal about their hatred of disabled people, whether physical or mental (also see UKIP, who are like the bnp in faux-libertarian clothing).

as for your politicians, they're no better than the lib-lab-con ones. in burnley, they didn't turn up to local council meetings. in calderdale, they abstained in a vote to close a school, even after promising to vote against the closure. in barking and dagenham, a couple have been committing benefit fraud, and the bnp group are on the verge of collapse.

your claim that the bnp are about 'worker ownership' is balls, as they really mean 'state control', with no input form the workers. setting up your own trade union (which is flagging due to undemocratic activity on behalf of griffin and his supporters) is exactly what the nazis did, in order to give them an excuse for ostracising those in traditional and revolutionary unions.

Nick Griffin is an Cambridge-educated son of a millionaire. He studied Law at Downing College, Cambridge. Nationalists often have a cursory preference for the Conservative Party, because at least the Con Party have worked to keep Britain's financial services industry a British concern. The Labour Party have more foreign donors than the Con Party, and that, in a way, illustrates the preference which nationalists sometimes have for the Cons, but both are, from the nationalist point of view, a con.

I associated with the Conservative Party for a short time, believing that they would stand up for freedom of speech more than the Labour Party. I left in 2005, disgusted by their current attitudes towards political freedom, their lack of vision and their apathy, and total adherence to free market  principles. Many divergent views are still tolerated within the Con Party, and they are, in my view, less statist than the Labour Party, but that is where the appeal ends.

Why would a nationalist wish to be involved with the Con Party when all they would do is tolerate one's views and bring everything back to economics? No, there is such a thing as society and, it matters.

The days when keeping Britain's financial services industry British was a major issue are now over, because Britain will suffer with the Cons or Labour-Cons in power.

Yes, I do, and so does my party. We consider this to be exploitation. Migrant workers who work for a lower wage than native-born workers to send money home are being exploited. This is very clear. We do not want British workers to have to compete with this, nor do we wish British workers to have compete with imports produced by child, prison or slave labour.

The Austrian FPOe campaigned for a total ban on imports produced by such means and do so is a nationalist policy.

I disagree. I believe that UKIP are a faux-nationalist grouping set up by left-wing Max Clifford, former Labour man Robert Kilroy Silk and other interest groups to split the nationalist vote. UKIP have worked hand-in-hand with the Stalinist/Zionist group 'Searchlight' to monitor potential nationalist dissent by turning over UKIP membership lists.

As for disabled people, I think that migrant workers are more important to the current crop of parties. The BNP ideal is a society like Bali, Indonesia where the infirm are not discarded into 'homes' but looked after by their local communities.

Perhaps not better but certainly not worse! Why do you suppose that the Lib-Lab-Con are better? Democracy is a sham in this country, but we will work to improve it.

Read here:

http://www.bnp.org.uk/articles/liars_oct04.htm

Our economic policies are a threat to the press and the establishment. This is why they show a preference for the far-left who unionise and cause rather minimal disruption to the banking system.

In the final analysis, a communist country can be bankrolled by a capitalist system anyway.

The setting up of Credit Unions and LETS schemes is BNP local policy.

This is a possible precursor to co-operativisation of the retail and agricultural sectors and one which can be achieved by the BNP on a local level (or indeed by socialists/anarchists). The Lib-Lab-Con will never do this because they work for big business and big banking.

I sincerely believe in worker ownership, and would only work as part of a co-operative, as self-employed or in a state-owned industry (for those which require such for economy of scale or which are of particular national importance)

The BNP has a programme for this:

http://www.bnp.org.uk/articles/worker_ownership.html

So, you can read all about it.

I also am hoping that the setting up of community buying co-operatives will become part of BNP local policy.

What is your view on intentional communities?

Actually, I wouldn't want to be the 'lowly ant' that crosses the ant's territorial borders. Being quizzed by zealous immigration officers is, after all, slightly less painful than being torn limb from limb and left to die in the dirt.

I heard that the Walloons have higher levels of unemployment and that most of the wealth is in Flanders.

I think that the wake up will be inevitable when capitalism fails. In America your main problem is that there are plenty of places and spaces to run to.

In the UK, where I live, we are already grossly overpopulated, and in a financial meltdown (it is happening) we would pressured enough just to feed and look after half of our white population, so I do fear for the future of our country.

Have you heard of the Pioneer Little Europe (PLE) idea? I used to see it being discussed on the Stormfront.org forum. I used to post there, until I was flamed for being too moderate. What is your white ancestry?

There is a higher incidence of autism within the Cro-Magnoid sub-racial groups of Europe. That might be of interest to you.

As an 'evil racist', it would suggest to me that autism genes have obviously played a beneficial role in assisting Cro-Magnon man in surviving the Ice Age.

There is also a high degree of political intolerance and trolling on this forum, but as you can see it is mostly ad hominem/fallacious, poorly constructed and directed towards me.

What exactly are you referring to?

I believe in free speech and I enjoy having discussions with people of all social backgrounds, religions, races and political viewpoints.

Proving my point Ian?

I think that you and the rest of the absurd political intolerants would be better accepting that there are people of all political outlooks who are going to want to post on this forum.

Was that Ebonics?