Perhaps NTs just see what's important, while filtering out details they feel don't pertain to anything greater, much of the time? It seems this is how many of them react.
I've had a lot of problems with this. I talk to normal people about something, occasionally going into greater detail than I need to, and they're just like, "Yeah." And it ends there. Or they'll say, "why would you need that," or something.
It seems they are "designed" to place sensory input into a bigger picture. If it's work, they always seem to know they're there to support themselves *while* they are going to school, or to support family. It seems if what you say strays too far from those two "motivating factors", a lot of them lose interest in what you have to say.
I've never worked just because I thought it was a stepping stone for the future. I only worked because I needed to, otherwise I would probably do nothing but my own non-functional routines.
I'm unemployed now, and people think I'm immature for it. They don't know how tough it is for me to figure out what my "next job" should be.
It has to be *just right*, or I won't do it.
Your thoughts?
Working to me is mainly to have something to do and get paid for it. I don't link it much to the future. It's not immature to be unemployed if you can't find the job that suits you or even work out what job is best for you in the first place.
Sadly, some people end up with far from ideal jobs because they really need the money to keep themselves going or to support a family and then they get so focused on being in the rat race, they forget about other things.
On the subject of NTs only thinking about "important" things, I'd like to point out the Fashion Industry. Its sole existence rests on the fact that NTs think about such unimportant things as what is "in" now (as opposed to, maybe, what is practical to wear, or what shows some actual asthetic taste....their idea of what "looks good" is based purely on how many famous people have worn it)
You need to work to earn a living and I have always believed in that. I have the luxury that I enjoy my job on the railways and would like to take it into an area that I can make a difference, a positive change for the future whereby when you travel with us you have a wonderful and wide selection of items available for your journey. If we are gonna sell 2 or 3 different beers well lets sell what people want, let's get the basics right and do it well. Once we are at that stage we can move on.
On the subject of NTs only thinking about "important" things, I'd like to point out the Fashion Industry. Its sole existence rests on the fact that NTs think about such unimportant things as what is "in" now (as opposed to, maybe, what is practical to wear, or what shows some actual asthetic taste....their idea of what "looks good" is based purely on how many famous people have worn it)
Yes, this is a good point, and points out how poorly constructed my original point was. In fact, this point of yours is so good, that it appears to trash my entire original point.
I think what I was referring to, since I'm a self-diagnosed Aspie, I have a tendency to ask "obvious" yes-or-no type questions.
It seems that with NTs, once you get to a certain point with these kinds of questions, they expect you to be able to predict what their response would be. As in, no reason to ask these questions.
More times than not, their response is more Big Picture oriented, than detail oriented.
See, Aspies go detail first, abstract/big picture last. When I keep inquiring about "pointless" details to NTs, they expect you to know that there's "no point" to ask questions like that. The answers should be obvious.
But the problem is with "the obvious." As you point out, a lot of obvious things to NTs, are very illogical to those with AS! Using your example: indeed, what kind of logic is there in the fashion industry?
I hope I've managed to make *a little more* sense to you, now. I realize the original point was very faulty.
I still don't think a did a very good clarifying here, either, but I tried.
Ah, yes. The damn trendy NTs ruined most of my wardrobe! I don't like tight girly pants and I don't like pants with no pockets (No back pockets especially! Makes them look weird!) Pretty much I only have two pants that are actually comfortable.
I also happen to have one of those fabric zippup sweaters from the 70's, which you can hardly see anymore today. It could have come in a better colour, though.
On the subject of NTs only thinking about "important" things, I'd like to point out the Fashion Industry. Its sole existence rests on the fact that NTs think about such unimportant things as what is "in" now (as opposed to, maybe, what is practical to wear, or what shows some actual asthetic taste....their idea of what "looks good" is based purely on how many famous people have worn it)
Here's the thing. Not all NTs are like that. Bit of a generalization. Second, people who are seriously into that sort of fashion think it's important. They think it's important to themselves to look good which is why they do it.
Well, nobody spends time on things that they consider unimportant. If football and fashion is important to my friends and my hobbies are important to me, then the line becomes blurred. I definately see what you're saying though, about NTs not getting caught up in the details. See, they get caught up in their own details, somewhere, and they take our details for granted.
I definately see what you're saying though, about NTs not getting caught up in the details. See, they get caught up in their own details, somewhere, and they take our details for granted.
That's what I meant. I just didn't write it clearly enough, though.
Sometimes I know what I want to say, but can't figure out the correct way to say it.
My bad, guys.
Well, nobody spends time on things that they consider unimportant. If football and fashion is important to my friends and my hobbies are important to me, then the line becomes blurred. I definately see what you're saying though, about NTs not getting caught up in the details. See, they get caught up in their own details, somewhere, and they take our details for granted.
The trick is to find friends who like the same things as you -- with perhaps a couple of compromises because people aren't identical and I would hope they don't want to be.
As for details, well... If someone tells you to stop asking questions, the best reply I know is, "It's better to ask a stupid question than make a stupid mistake."
And "common sense" is not a reality. It is an assumption.
Well, nobody spends time on things that they consider unimportant. If football and fashion is important to my friends and my hobbies are important to me, then the line becomes blurred. I definately see what you're saying though, about NTs not getting caught up in the details. See, they get caught up in their own details, somewhere, and they take our details for granted.
The trick is to find friends who like the same things as you -- with perhaps a couple of compromises because people aren't identical and I would hope they don't want to be.
As for details, well... If someone tells you to stop asking questions, the best reply I know is, "It's better to ask a stupid question than make a stupid mistake."
And "common sense" is not a reality. It is an assumption.
Yeah, I think social intuition might just be the same as, "doing things the way everyone else does them." But that's still an assumption.
it seems NTs don't even know that! You have to be Aspie to figure out the subtext behind a lot of "assumed" crap.
Osiris Lord, I hate to say this but a lot of these people who are so hung up about the "latest fashions" might think wearing them makes them look good but it doesn't always.