Sorry for the ranting guys.
No need to be sorry for ranting. In fact, we all need to be doing a lot more ranting. Silence only helps the enemy.
Here's a link to a directory that includes the e-mail addresses of all the Massachusetts State Legislators:
http://www.mass.gov/legis/legis.htm
I suggest an e-mail campaign urging the state's lawmakers to ban the use of aversives, with the above article, or other such stories (or personal experiences), pasted into the text of the e-mail. Merry ranting!
Rob,
we are all entitled to feel very cross indeed about the appalling abuse, ridicule and rejection which we all know too well.
The trick is to focus our anger not on eachother but on our Adversaries, of which the "Judge Rotenberg Center" is just one example.
I suppose "Rotenberg" is derived from "Red Mountain" - a cheap and nasty brand of instant coffee in the UK. The name also suggests Rotten Hamburgers.
Stella
I work in legal publishing and was able to use my work computer to search Massachusetts cases.
I didn't see any court cases about the dead woman, though. If I had to make a guess, her parents probably didn't bring suit against JRC because they didn't give a damn about her and were glad to be rid of the expense. :evil:
Bottom line, AspieBoy, is that the court decided the agency wasn't acting in good faith or following its own regulations in trying to shut down the JRC.
Rob,
You have every right to feel hurt and upset by this treatment of others like ourselves, but there is no way to put a stop to this kind of abuse except by lawful political action, and the upholding of Human Rights and medical ethics which we all have a right to expect.
Its not a game.
Stella
Not very helpful or sensible I'm afraid.
To really take these people on requires the kind of courage that persists over years with little hope of reward. Email and letter campaigns, 'phone calls, political lobbying, meetings with political representatives and health agencies, and winning over the support of journalists.
If you can learn how to do even one of those things well and see it through you could be of some help in getting the Judge Rotenberg Center closed down.
That's how it is
Stella
u find a target, you observe the mark for a couple days, and then you aproach the mark masked wearing gloves with an axe handle, wich makes a great disposable bokudo, and minimises you touching the mark, thus you leaving any evidence like your blood or skin cells behind, take about 15 seconds to put your mark onto the ground, and then you leave. it's best done at night.
RobH
I understand what you are saying BUT this "speech" is the same kind that gets pro life groups in trouble. Please be careful!!
I like your sig except it it not by the mere threats that give you the right to act but the actual infringement of those rights. Free speech again!!!
RobH, violence, of any kind, no matter what the circumstances, is always counter productive. To organize a campaign in the manner of the pro-life movement would be extremely unwise. If Aspies started to take violent direct action, the media would paint a picture of Aspies as murderous violent lunatics bent on destroying all the wholesome normal people. I know legal means are mostly useless, but violence is worse than useless, all it would do is set back our cause and further alienate us from the nuerotypical population. ALL violence is counter productive.
alan, I'm not even suggesting that AFF should resort to violence. What AFF should be doing, they are doing, and it's wonderful. I'm saying that I myself, and trained, and willing and capable of taking covert action against those who have gotten on my bad side. Those who abuse their power to abuse others, are all on my bad side. If I get the oppurtunity, I will hurt them. And I will be acting on my own, not for aspies, or for NT's or for anything else, just pure and simple punitive action against those who deserve it.l
RobH
It is nice that you have your training. BUT NEVER EVER WILL AFF SANCTION VIOLENCE nor will it THRU THIRD PARTIES!!!!!!
RobH , please understand while you sound sincere, For all we know, you are plant. The US govt is known to infiltrate organizations for one.
Those who abuse their power to abuse others, are all on my bad side.
RobH, I have very strong beliefs in that respect, too, and I know where you're coming from. I'd write more about what you've said, but this is not the place.
oh really? So when I saved a mans life by bashing in the skull of the man determined to kill him with a knife that was counter productive? The police didn't think so. They said I was a hero. Had I not acted violently that man would have been killed, as for his a ttacker, who gives a damn about his life any way, one less bad guy on the streets.
Or perhaps I shouldn't have broken the leg of the man who was comming off of heroine and decided to try to cut me up with a box cutter in the middle of a rescue mission? I suppose that was counter productive too, perhaps for him, as for me, I still got my good looks, and that guy I saved at the down town bus station, he still has his life, and only one scar, on his arm, the one he got a second before I took down the man attacking him.
Say what you like, but I could take out one of those bastards at that institution and get away with it, and if I get away with it, then there is nothing anyone could do about it. Those people, just like rapists, and gangsters and drug dealers, have forfiet their humanity, and are less than human, I value the life of a cat more than I do theirs.
say what you like. cause I really dont care.
The violence was still counter-productive. Someone was hurt. A bad person, yes, but still a human being. What you did was appropriate, and I would have done the same in the situation, but you are talking about a one on one immediate life and death situation. For christ's sake, you can't kill someone just because you disagree with them. They're not posing immediate danger to human life. A danger, yes, but not an immediate danger.
You cannot win by violence. No one's going to stand for it. No NT's will, and very few aspies. This isn't like those prolife murderers, they actually had the support from right wing America. WE DON'T HAVE SUPPORT FROM ANYONE! Any violent attacks on these people or their property will cause a violent backlash against all aspies. CAN'T YOU SEE THAT?
What you are talking about is terrorism, nothing less. Just think about all those other terrorist groups. Do they carry out terrorist attacks just for the fun of it? They have an agenda, like you, and they think violence is the way to get what they want.
Those people, just like rapists, and gangsters and drug dealers, have forfiet their humanity, and are less than human, I value the life of a cat more than I do theirs.
You throw this rhetoric around, but there's no such thing as forfieting your humanity. We're all human. I'm human, you're human, Adolf Hitler was human and Mark Chapman is human. You might as well argue that Africans are savage, inhuman apes, so it's ok to enslave them.
I plan to handout out Wonderbread to people on the way in to this year's ASA Conference Board meeting. You are what you eat.
Jerry Newport
Dont get it. Please explain!
I know a state legislator... oh boy, looks like might be leading the fight here folks.. :shock:
i guess...
That is since, I'm the only one who lives in Massachusetts.
Before you start doing any lobbying, it would be a good idea to get in touch with the group that is campaigning to ban aversives in NJ. They can probably give you some good advice about how to get started, and if they know anyone in Mass. who is working on the issue, you can coordinate efforts.
http://www.thefamilyalliance.net/
Let us know what happens!