I've been assessed as having Asperger's Syndrome (albeit atypical because I don't have dyspraxia and my communication problems aren't so severe) and I was also told that it sounds like I might have met the criteria for ADD as a child.
Why is it so hard to get a diagnosis?
I'm one who strays slightly from the typical Male Aspie profile in that:
1) I don't take things apart and try to figure them out
2) I'm extremely stifled by Math
3) My interests aren't that "scientific"
4) I don't have major stims
However, I can say that my *brother* completely fits the above profile.
I seem to be more of an "arty Aspie"--if such a thing exists?
What do you think?
It's not that most Aspies are math geniuses, but that many math geniuses are Aspie -- that's where the stereotype was born.
On the other hand, my Aspie boyfriend has a PhD in Theoretical Physics (emphasis cosmology) from U C Berkeley, so he's certainly doing his part to boost the cliche.
And Theosoph, Calculus IV may not sound brilliant to you, but -- damn -- I'm glad I teach Algebra I, because I really struggle with Algebra II. So you sound like a genius to me...
Actually, Dyscalculia (math dyslexia so to say) is very common among Aspies, according to various studies (I believe Chris Gillberg did a lot of work on this). The math genius thing is an autism cliche, not reality.
I tend to agree. The highest level of math that I took in college and that I could understand was Calculus IV. I took higher level classes in probability theory but couldn't understand a single thing. Same thing happened when I took advanced physics classes. All the talk about time light cones and gaussian surfaces really blew my mind.
I don't think you understand.
Perhaps it would clarify it to say that I took an extra year in high school *because* I very nearly got a 10% or lower in INTEGRATED MATH 3 in my senior year!
For me to have gotten even a C in that class, I would have had to work on that nutmeg-dumb kind of math at least an hour every night. Since I didn't, I didn't understand anything. I was a complete fool, and decided I would be a foolish rebel and get almost a 0 on every quiz. I nearly fulfilled that prophecy. Because of the deluxe F-minuses in math, I had to take an extra year in high school, because I didn't want to do summer school (how logical is that?)
Then in Super Senior Class, I took Integrated Math 2--I actually went backwards from the class of yesteryear! Integrated Math 2 was intended for sophomores, and also freshman who wanted to test the waters. I took it in my extra year, and averaged a C !
Here you are talking about Calculus IV, in college. I don't even think you can *begin* to grasp my level of difficulty with Math.
I am Extra-deluxe-hyper disabled in Maths.
It's not that most Aspies are math geniuses, but that many math geniuses are Aspie -- that's where the stereotype was born.
On the other hand, my Aspie boyfriend has a PhD in Theoretical Physics (emphasis cosmology) from U C Berkeley, so he's certainly doing his part to boost the cliche.
And Theosoph, Calculus IV may not sound brilliant to you, but -- damn -- I'm glad I teach Algebra I, because I really struggle with Algebra II. So you sound like a genius to me...
All this talk about higher level education, and teaching, and so on, is making me feel really dumb.
I must be one of the less-intelligent Aspies, because I didn't just suck at school. I was actually *horrific,* a complete mess. Although social anxiety seemed to affect a lot of it, since I could barely bring myself to do presentations. I would have paranoid breakdowns the day I had to do them.
Eventually I decided that I would skip presentations, and ask the teacher if I could do something else, like write a paper, instead.
But you know what? I also sucked at writing papers (despite high verbal IQ), because as they say with AS, there's a problem with "central coherence." That says it all, with me. Nothing I do in life, or school, makes sense.
I know what you mean - although my overall IQ is slightly above average, and even though when I was little I was thought to be 'gifted' (I am I guess but not in the way they thought, I just have my own way of learning and doing things but not that of a gifted NT) and mostly got good grades without trying until I entered High School, I have always had a more 'unconscious' way of learning than most people. I never wanted to go to university but teachers & my parents flipped at the thought, they just didn't understand that it was becoming impossible for me to emulate the knowledge at a more and more complex level the way I had done (mostly self-taught) in earlier years.
It seems that I had also been self-taught. For example my abilities in verbal subjects, like English, felt "automatic." I didn't need to think for a much of it.
But that all changed in high school. There was much more "gray area," and I couldn't emulate things fast enough (as you pointed out.)
It seems you learn like I do, but you have a faster processor.
Which isn't fair.
But that all changed in high school. There was much more "gray area," and I couldn't emulate things fast enough (as you pointed out.)
Indeed, in my diagnostic report the psychiatrist specifically mentioned that a lot of people on the autism spectrum struggle a lot more (because of this reason) in high school.
Which isn't fair.
It isn't, but a) I am sure you have talents that I don't have, plus in the end I guess having a faster processer also had its bad sides - it made people's expectations a lot bigger, so that by the time I really couldn't hack it any more nobody believed me!
But then, how did you make it through college?
I mean, you tend to make it seem like you're not "that much smarter" than me, in terms of abilities that school requires of you. But you clearly are *that* much better with scholastic intelligence.