Aspies For Freedom

Thanks to our friend the camcorder, hopefully someday it will be possible to ditribute footage of an autistic child 'acting autistic' and follow it wiht a clip of that same person, 20, 30, 40 or so years later, making a cogent and persuasive argument against curing ASDs.  Depending on how long it takes for the average autist to become communicative, it might already be possible.  That one would be a liitle harder to refute, and would play well on the news.

In that case it might be necessary for the Autist in question to have a well documented history, so that it can be proven that he/she did not improve as a result of treatment.

That is why i suggets waiting, if we can get some HFA/AS parents with children who have LFA children to try an alternative approach then, a couple of deacades down the line, we (hopefully) have our poster child.

"I don't care if people with Asperger's syndrome want to remain different. I just don't [want] them to keep children with real autism from getting needed help."

Translation:  If people who can function (aspies) don't want therapy, fine. But those who can't function ("real autism"/low-functioning autism) still need the therapy.

Actually, there's a valid point in here, I think. Yes, the current 'therapies' are wrong, bad, etc. But the low-functioning auties do seem to need some kind of support/special ed to be able to function. I'm not saying that they need social training, but in this (or any, really) society being toilet-trained and verbal is pretty much a necessity.

I'd say that sign language is verbal, just a different kind.

yeah, before you can repair a sinking ship, you first have to stop the leak, then you can focus on making repairs.

  I'm very fortunate, I have that professional diagnosis and a long track record of institutionalisations.  I was able to get SSI.  If it werent for that, I would still be homeless on the streets.

  I urge all Aspies living in the US to apply for SSI.

what are you talking about?  I didn't chose homelessness are you crazy?

   *** happens, and I'm not the only aspie on this forum that has been there.  I'm talking about SSI.  It gives you free medical care, and in the case that something goes wrong, like you lose your job, the government steps back in and gives you money so you don't lose your apartment or go hungry or something.  It also means you're eligable for various benifits.

  Thats all it means.  

   And ya know what, I cannot hold a job.  I just can't.  I've been working very hard to try to make something of myself, more hard than you could possibly imagine. I was driven.  I overcame every obsticle, always to get shot down at the end.

  I don't know about you, but I do need SSI, otherwise I'd still be homeless.  And I don't want to see other aspies homeless either, so getting ssi is a good thing in my humble opinion.

  I've done everything I can, I was told I would never be able to be mainstreamed, I proved them wrong, and beat them by getting a 4.0  I was told I would never function without medication, I proved them wrong, and held my 4.0, I was told I wouldn't graduate with my class, and I proved them wrong by not only graduating with my class, but doing college courses on the side (I had missd the first 2 years of highschool cause I was institutionalised)  I was told I couldn't be a soldier, and I proved them wrong as well.  If it weren't for my god damn blood clotting disorder, I would still be a soldier and doing what I've always wanted to do, I would still be an out cast, but I wouldn't care.

  I've endured years of harassment, opression and abuse not only from my mother, but from state hospitals and institutions just like that judge rotenburger place.   and I perservered though it all, and I DID IT COMPLETELY ON MY OWN!  And then after being shot down in the army, I became homeless, once again alone, and you have no idea how terrible and frightning that is in this town, where a crack head will kill you for your sleeping bag so he can sell it for drugs.  And I perservered and survived, and it was a tremendous amount of work to get out of homelessness, I got a job in security, and I worked, while starving, and homeless, and sleep deprived, insane hours, just so that 3 weeks later, they could tell me "I'M SORRY, IT'S NOTHING YOU DID OR DIDN'T DO, YOU JUST DON'T FIT IN HERE"  wich is what I get everywhere else

  My life has been a **** nightmare, a battle ground, AND IF YOU THINK I WAS PROUD TO BE ON SSI, YOU GOT ANOTHER THING COMMING, I've been so ashamed and depressed, at why I cannot function in society, why I couldn't discipline myself to be like everyone else, what I was doing wrong, what I could do differently, that I honest to god want to kill myself.

   So I decided to try to find others like me, cause I never knew any others, and began looking on the internet when I came to this site, and I realised that we were all having the same issues, and it dawned on me, perhaps its NOT MY FAULT THAT I CANNOT FIT IN, perhaps being on SSI isn't such a bad thing, it's not what I wanted out of life, believe me, I had big goals and dreams and I had all the small goals to acomplish the big ones, but in the end, I AM NOT CAPABLE OF BEING A NORMAL MEMBER OF SOCIETY.  

   If I had a choice, I wouldn't have been born AS, I could at least then have had a normal life and made something of myself, I don't like being on SSI, but unfortunately, I need it or I live on the streets, and if other aspies are having the same trouble that I am, then I urge them to get government aid so that they can live as comfortably and independantly as possible.  

   This is the last time I'm posting on this forum.   I'm obviously too fricken weird even for other aspies.  L8r

Kim asks: Since you have a firm belief that adversives are being used, surely you can give more than one example.

Here are other examples:
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Barrera, F. J.(2000). Southwestern Regional Center, Canada Successes and Limitations in a Trial of Faradic (Electro-Aversive) Stimulation.  Presented at the EMEAB Symposium, Amiens, France, July 10, 2000.

Duker, P., Seys, D. (2000). University of Nijmegen and Winckelsteegh Residential Facility, The Netherlands Long Term Effectiveness of Contingent Shock for Severe Self-Injurious Behavior.  Presented at the EMEAB Symposium, Amiens, France, July 10, 2000.

Linscheid, T. R. (2000).The Ohio State University, USA
Multiple Considerations in the Long-Term Treatment of Self-Injurious Behavior with Contingent Electric Shock:  A Case Illustration.  Presented at the EMEAB Symposium, Amiens, France, July 10, 2000.

Will that do Kim?  

Stella Maru

Kim

This bibliography should help you see that a very large number of  people have been given electric shocks by "therapists".  There's enough examples here to talk in terms of an electric shock industry.  :cry:  

1. Agras, W. S. (1967). Behavior therapy in the management of chronic schizophrenia. American Journal of Psychiatry, 124(2), 240-243.

2. Akerly, M., Creedon, M. P., Opppenheim, R. C., Shea, J., & Shea, N. (1976). Reactions to "Employing Electric Shock with Autistic Children". Journal of Autism and Childhood Schizophrenia, 6(3), 289-294.

3. Alexander, A., Chai, H., Creer, T., Miklich, D., Renne, C., & Cardoso, R. (1973). The Elimination of Chronic Cough by Response Suppression Shaping. Journal of Behavior Therapy and Experimental Psychiatry, 4, 75-80.

4. Alford, G. S., & Turner, S. M. (1976). Stimulus interference and conditioned inhibition of auditory hallucinations. Journal of Behaviour Therapy and Experimental Psychiatry, 7, 155-160.

5. Anderson, L., & Alpert, M. (1974). Operant analysis of hallucination frequency in a hospitalized schizophrenic. Journal of Behavior Therapy and Experimental Psychiatry, 5, 13-18.

6. Anderson, L., Dancis, J., & Alpert, M. (1978). Behavioral contingencies and self-mutilation in Lesch-Nyhan disease. Journal of Consulting and Clinical Psychology, 46(3), 529-536.

7. Ausman, J., Ball, T. S., & Alexander, D. (1974). Behavior therapy of pica with a profoundly *** adolescent. Mental Retardation, 12(6), 16-18.

8. Bachman, J. A. (1972). Self-injurious behavior: A behavioral analysis. Journal of Abnormal Psychology, 80(3), 211-224.

9. Ball, T., Sibbach, L., Jones, R., Steele, B., & Frazier, L. (1975). An accelerometer-activated device to control assaultive and self-destructive behaviors in retardates. Behavior Therapy and Experimental Psychiatry, 6, 223-228.

10. Barnard, G. W., Flesher, C. K., & Steinbook, R. M. (1966). The treatment of urinary retention by aversive stimulus cessation and assertive training. Behaviour Research and Therapy, 4, 232-236.

11. Barrera, F. J., Bucher, B., & Boundy, G. (1982). Dependence on shock-producing stimuli: A documented case study Presented at the World Conference of the International Association for the Scientific Study of Mental Deficiency, Toronto.

12. Barrera, F. J., Teotoro, G. M., & Labadie, B. D. (1989). 'Social bonding' outcomes in a clinical trial of SIBIS Invited address at the 15th Annual International Convention of the Association for Behaviour Analysis, Milwaukee, WI.

13. Barrera, F., Teodoro, J. M., & Goldberg, B. (1991). Pharmacological and behavioral treatment of a dually-diagnosed (Tourette Syndrome) person Paper presented at Invited Symposium (Division 25) on Recent Studies in the Psychopharmacology of the Developmental Disabilities, San Francisco, CA.

14. Baumeister, A. A., & Forehand, R. (1972). Effects of contingent shock and verbal command on body rocking of retardates. Journal of Clinical Psychology, 28, 586-590.

15. Beck, G. R., Sulzbacher, S. I., Kawabori, I., Stevenson, J. G., Guntheroth, W. G., & Spelman, F. A. (1980). Conditioned avoidance of hypoxemia in an infant with central hypoventilation. Behavior Research of Severe Developmental Disabilities, 1, 21-29.

16. Bernstein v. Department of Mental Health and Developmental Disabilities Il, & Ann Kiley. (1986). No. 79-p-2138. Mass. Probate Court Order, Bristol Co. (May 30, 1986).

17. Birnbrauer, J. S. (1968). Generalization of punishment effects--a case study. Journal of Applied Behavior Analysis, 1, 201-211.

18. Brandsma, J. M., & Stein, L. I. (1973). The use of punishment as a treatment modality: A case report. The Journal of Nervous and Mental Disease, 156(1), 30-37.

19. Breger, L. (1965). Comments on "Building social behavior in autistic children by use of electric shock". Journal of Experimental Research in Personality, 1, 110-113.

20. Browning, R. M. (1971). Treatment effects of a total behavior modification program with five autistic children. Behaviour Research and Therapy, 9, 319-327.

21. Bucher, B. D., & Lovaas, O. I. (1967). Use of adversive stimulation in behavior modification. In M.R. Jones (Ed.) Miami Symposium on the Prediction of Behavior 1967: Aversive Stimulation., 77-145.

22. Bucher, B., & Fabricatore, J. (1970). Use of patient-administered shock to suppress hallucinations. Behavior Therapy, 1, 382-385.

23. Bucher, B., & King, L. W. (1971). Generalization of punishment effects in the deviant behavior of a psychotic child. Behavior Therapy, 2, 68-77.

24. Carr, E. G., & Lovaas, O. I. (1983). Contingent electric shock as a treatment for severe behavior problems In S. Axelrod & J. Apsche (Eds.) . The Effects of Punishment on Human Behavior, (pp. 221-245). New York, Acedemic Press.

25. Cohen, R. (1976). Comments on the "Cattle-prod Controversy". Perceptual and Motor Skills, 42, 146.

26. Corte, H. E., Wolf, M. M., & Locke, B. J. (1971). A comparison of procedures for eliminating self-injurious behavior of *** adolescents. Journal of Applied Behavior Analysis, 4(3), 201-213.

27. Council on Scientific Affairs. (1987). Aversion Therapy. Journal of the American Medical Association, 258(18), 2562-2566.

28. Cunningham, C. E., & Linscheid, T. R. (1976). Elimination of chronic infant ruminating by electric shock. Behavior Therapy, 7, 231-234.

29. Duker, P. C. (1976). Remotely applied punishment versus avoidance conditioning in the treatment of self-injurious behaviours. European Journal of Behavioural Analysis and Modification, 3 (3), 179-185.

30. Duker, P. C., & Seys, D. M. (1995). Long-term use of electrical aversion treatment with self-injurious behavior. Paper Presented at BILD Conference.

31. Favell, J. E., Azrin, N. H., Baumeister, A. A., Carr, E. G., Dorsey, M. F., Forehand, R., Foxx. R. M., Lovaas, O. I., & Romanczyk, R. G. (1982). The treatment of self-injurious behavior. Behavior Therapy, 13, 529-554. Association for Advancement of Behavior Therapy Task Force Report).

32. Foxx, R. M., McMorrow, M. J., & Bittle, R. G. (1986). Increasing staff accountability in shock programs: simple and inexpensive shock device modifications. Behavior Therapy, 17, 187-189.

33. Foxx, R. M., McMorrow, M. J., Bittle, R. G., & Bechtel, D. R. (1986). The successful treatment of a dually-diagnosed deaf man's aggression with a program that included contingent electric shock. Behavior Therapy, 17, 170-186.

34. Foxx, R., Bittle, R., & Faw, G. (1989). A maintenance strategy for discontinuing aversive procedures: A 52-month follow-up of the treatment of aggression. American Journal of Mental Retardation, 94(1), 27-36.

35. Foxx, R., Plaska, T., & Bittle, R. (1986). Guidelines for the Use of Contingent Electric Shock to Treat Abberant Behavior. Progress in Behavior Modification, 20, 129-140.

36. Galbraith, D. A., Byrick, R. J., & Rutledge, J. T. (1970). An aversive conditioning approach to the inhibition of chronic vomiting. Canadian Psychiatry Association Journal, 15, 311-313.

37. Gardner, W. (1969). Use of punishment procedures with the severely ***: A review. American Journal of Mental Deficiency, 74(1), 86-103.

38. Gathercole, C. E. (1976). Comment to P. C. Duker: Remotely applied punishment versus avoidance conditioning in the treatment of self-injurious behaviours. European Journal of Behavioural Analysis and Modification, 3(3), 186-187.

39. Gerhardt, P., Holmes, D. L., Alessandri, M., & Goodman, M. (1991). Social policy on the use of aversive interventions: Empirical, ethical, and legal considerations. Journal of Autism and Developmental Disabilities, 21(3), 265-280.

40. Gomes-Schwartz, B. (1979). The modification of schizophrenic behavior. Behavior Modification, 3(4), 439-468.

41. Griffin, J. C., Locke, B. J., & Landers, W. F. (1975). Systematic manipulation of potential punishment parameters in the treatment of self-injury. Journal of Applied Behavior Analysis, 8(4), 458-468.

42. Hall, H., Thorne, E., Shinedling, M., & Sagers, P. (1973). Overcoming situation-specific problems associated with typical institutional attempts to suppress self-mutilative behavior. Training School Bulletin, 70(2), 111-114.

43. Hamilton, J., & Standahl, J. (1969). Suppression of stereotyped screaming behavior in a profoundly *** institutionalized female. Journal of Experimental Child Psychology, 7, 114-121.

44. Harris, S. L., & Ersner-Hershfield, R. (1978). Behavioral suppression of seriously disruptive behavior in psychotic and *** patients: A review of punishment and its alternatives. Psychological Bulletin, 85(6), 1352-1375.

45. Harris, S. L., Handleman, J. S., Gill, M. J., & Fong, P. L. (1991). Does punishment hurt? The impact of aversives on the clinician. Research in Developmental Disabilities, 12, 17-24.

46.  Israel, M. L., von Heyn, R. E., Connelly, D. A. (1992). Click here! A Remote-Controlled Electric Shock Device for Behavior Modification. Unpublished paper.

46. Iwata, B. A. (1988). The development and adoption of controversial default technologies. Behavior Analyst, 11 (2), 149-157.

47. Johnson, B. G., Williams, A., & Landrum, J. L. (1965). The use of the superheterodyne as a means of behavior control--a note of caution. American Journal of Mental Deficiency, 70, 148.

48. Johnson, W. L., & Baumeister, A. A. (1978). Self-injurious behavior: A review and analysis of methodological details of published studies. Behavior Modification, 2, 465-487.

49. Jones, F. H., Simmons, J. Q., & Frankel, F. (1974). An extinction procedure for eliminating self-destructive behavior in a 9-year-old autistic girl. Journal of Autism and Childhood Schizophrenia, 4(3), 241-250.

50. Kircher, A. S., Pear, J. J., & Martin, G. L. (1971). Shock as punishment in a picture-naming task with *** children. Journal of Applied Behavior Analysis, 4(3), 227-233.

51. Kohlenberg, R. J. (1970). The punishment of persistent vomiting: A case study. Journal of Applied Behavior Analysis, 3(4), 241-245.

52. Kohlenberg, R. J., Livin, M., & Belcher, S. (1973). Skin conductance changes and the punishment of self-destructive behavior. Mental Retardation, 11(5), 11-13.

53. Kushner, M. (1969). Faradic Aversive Controls in Clinical Practice. Behavior Modification in Clinical Psychology (Nueringer & Michael, Eds.), 26-51.

54. Lang, P. J., & Melamed, B. G. (1969). Avoidance conditioning therapy of an infant with chronic ruminative vomiting. Journal of Abnormal Psychology, 74(1), 1-8.

55. Lebow, M. D., Gelfand, S., & Dobson, W. R. (1970). Aversive conditioning of a phenothiazine-induced respiratory stridor. Behavior Therapy, 1, 222-227.

56. Lichstein, K. l., & Schreibman, L. (1976). Employing electric shock with autistic children. A review of the side effects. Journal of Autism and Childhood Schizophrenia, 6, 163-173.

57. Linscheid, T. R., & Cunningham, C. E. (1977). A controlled demonstration of the effectiveness of electric shock in the elimination of chronic infant rumination. Journal of Applied Behavior Analysis, 10(3), 500.

58. Linscheid, T. R., Iwata, B., Ricketts, R., Williams, D., & Griffen, J. (1990). Clinical evaluation of the Self-Injurious Behavior Inhibiting System (SIBIS). Journal of Applied Behavior Analysis, 23, 53-78.

59. Linscheid, T. R., Pejeau, C., Cohen, S., & Footo-Lenz, M. (1994). Positive side effects in the treatment of SIB using the Self-Injurious Behavior Inhibiting System (SIBIS): Implications for operant and biochemical explanations of SIB. Research in Developmental Disabilities, 15(1), 81-90.

60. Linscheid, T., Hartel, F., & Cooley, N. (1993). Are aversives durable? A five year follow-up of three individuals treated with contingent electric shock. Child and Adolescent Mental Health Care, 3(2), 67-76.

61. Lovaas, O. I. (1967). A behavior therapy approach to the treatment of childhood schizophrenia. Minnesota Symposia on Child Psychology, 1, 108-159.

62. Lovaas, O. I., Koegel, R., Simmons, J. Q., & Long, J. S. (1973). Some generalization and follow-up measures on autistic children in behavior therapy. Journal of Applied Behavior Analysis, 6 (1), 131-166.

63. Lovaas, O. I., Schaeffer, B., & Simmons, J. Q. (1965). Building social behavior in autistic children by use of electric shock. Journal of Experimental Research in Personality, 1, 99-109.

64. Lovaas, O. I., & Simmons, J. Q. (1969). Manipulation of self-destruction in three *** children. Journal of Applied Behavior Analysis, 2, 143-157.

65. Luckey, R. E., Watson, C. M., & Musick, J. K. (1968). Aversive conditioning as a means of inhibiting vomiting and rumination. American Journal of Mental Deficiency, 73(1), 139-142.

66. Masterton, B. A., & Biederman, G. B. (1976). Aversive control by an electrostatic shock source: An unmodifiable, humane preparation. Journal of the Experimental Analysis of Behavior, 26, 523-526.

67. Matson, J. L., & DiLorenzo, T. (1984). Punishment and its Alternatives. New York: Springer.

68. Matson, J., & Farrar-Schneider, D. (1993). Common behavioral decelerators (Aversives) and their efficacy. Child and Adolescent Mental Health Care, 3(1), 49-64.

69. Matson, J., & Taras, M. (1989). A 20 year review of punishment and alternative methods to treat problem behaviors in developmentally delayed persons. Research in Developmental Disabilities, 10, 85-104.

70. McFarlain, R., Scott, J., & Wheatley, M. (1975). Suppression of headbanging on the ward. Psychological Reports, 36, 315-321.

71. Merbaum, M. (1973). The modification of self-destructive behavior by a mother-therapist using aversive stimulation. Behavior Therapy, 4, 442-447.

72. Miron, N. B. (1968). Issues and implications of operant conditioning--The primary ethical consideration. Hospital and Community Psychiatry, 50-52.

73. Mudford, O. C., Barrera, F. J., Murray, A., & Boundy, K. (1992). Remote and Handheld Delivery of Contingent Shock: Effects and Side Effects, Unpublished manuscript.

74. Mudford, O. C., Boundy, K., & Murray, A. D. (1995). Therapeutic Shock Device (TSD): Clinical Evaluation with Self-Injurious Behaviors. Research in Devleopmental Disabilities, 16 (4), 253-267.

75. Munford, P. R., Reardon, D., Liberman, R. P., & Allen, L. (1976). Behavioral treatment of hysterical coughing and mutism: a case study. Journal of Consulting and Clinical Psychology, 44(6), 1008-1014.

76. Prochaska, J., Smith, N., Marzilli, R., Colby, J., & Donovan, W. (1974). Remote-control aversive stimulation in the treatment of head-banging in a *** child. Journal of Behavior Therapy and Experimental Psychiatry, 5, 285-289.

77. Ramey, G. (1974). Use of electric shock in the classroom: The remediation of self abusive behavior in a *** child. Behavioral Engineering, 1(2), 4-9.

78. Rechter, E., & Vrablic, M. (1974). The right to aversive treatment including aversive stimuli. Psychiatric Quarterly, 48(3), 445-449.

79. Ribes-Inesta, E., & Guzman, E. (1974). Effectiveness of several suppression procedures in eliminating a high-probability response in a severly brain-damaged child. Interamerican Journal of Psychology, 8, 1-2.

80. Richmond, G., & Martin, P. (1977). Punishment as a therapuetic method with institutionalized *** persons. In Thompson & Grabowski (Eds.). Behavior Modification of the Mentally ***, (pp. 467-494).

81. Ricketts, R., Goza, A., & Matese, M. (1992). Case study: Effects of Naltrexone and SIBIS on self-injury. Behavioral Residential Treatment, 7(4), 315-326.

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83. Romanczyk, R. G., & Goren, E. R. (1975). Severe self-injurious behavior: The problem of clinical control. Journal of Consulting and Clinical Psychology, 43(5), 730-739.

84. Sherman, J. S., Swinson, R. P., & Lorimer, W. P. (1984). On the importance of reliable equipment in the shock punishment of self-injurious behavior. Analysis & Intervention in Developmental Disabilities, 4(1), 81-84.

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88. Spreat, S., Lipinski, D., Dickerson, R., Nass, R., & Dorsey, M. (1989). The acceptability of electric shock programs. Behavior Modification, 13(2), 245-256.

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90. Tate, B. G. (1972). Case study: Control of chronic self-injurious behavior by conditioning procedures. Behavior Therapy, 72-83.

91. Tate, B. G., & Baroff, G. S. (1966). Aversive control of self-injurious behavior in a psychotic boy. Behaviour Research and Therapy, 4, 281-287.

92. Toister, R., Condron, C., Worley, L., & Arthur, D. (1975). Faradic therapy of chronic vomiting in infancy: A case study. Journal of Behavior Therapy and Experimental Psychiatry, 6, 55-59.

93. Trudel, G., Beaupre, M., & Maurice, P. (1981). The effect of the intensity of an aversive stimulus on self-injurious behaviors. Poster Presentation at the Association for the Advancement of Behavior Therapy Convention.

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95. Watkins, J. (1972). Treatment of chronic vomiting and extreme emaciation by an aversive stimulus: Case study. Psychological Reports, 31, 803-805.

96. Whaley, D., & Tough, J. (1968). Treatment of a self-injuring mongoloid with shock-induced suppression and avoidance. Michigan Mental Health Research Bulletin, 2(1), 33-35.

97. White, J. C., & Taylor, D. J. (1967). Noxious conditioning as a treatment for rumination. Mental Retardation, 5, 30-33.

98. Wilbur, R. L., Chandler, P. J., & Carpenter, B. L. (1974). Modification of self-mutilative behavior by aversive conditioning. Behavioral Engineering, 1(3), 14-25.

99. Williams, D. E., Kirkpatrick-Sanchez, S., & Iwata, B. A. (1993). A comparison of shock intensity in the treatment of longstanding and severe self-injurious behavior. Research in Developmental Disabilities, 14, 207-219.

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101. Wright, L. (1973). Aversive conditioning of self-induced seizures. Behavior Therapy, 4, 712-713.

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Stella

Kim, you began by accusing AFF of "scare-mongering" and you  said:

surely everyone close to this issue must know that adversives are ABSOLUTELY NOT used in modern ABA.

I have shown you that electric shocks ARE used in "modern ABA" in the USA, Canada, and the Netherlands.

You know less about ABA than you thought. That is all.

Time to get back to my knitting for a bit.  

Stella

With regards to what Mish was saying, I agree completely and would like to offer a supporting personal experience.

I have ADD as well as Asperger's. When I was 5, the ADD was diagnosed. (The Asperger's has never been formally diagnosed, and I'd prefer to keep it that way.) My parents' response to this was to put me in 'therapy', which I saw, and still see, as pointless, and to put me on ritalin.

I remember arguing with my parents about being on the ritalin definitely as early as 8 years old, and probably at a much younger age than that. I wanted to learn to function without it. They were more concerned that I seem normal and be able to do my schoolwork.

When I turned 17, by law I was allowed to decline treatment for my ADD, and I did. I spent the next several years after that learning how to function, pretty much from scratch. I'm happy to report that now, at age 23, I can function fairly well with regards to my ADD. And this is in spite of, not because of, the treatment I was given.

My relationship with my parents, however, has not improved. They have shown over and over since I was practicaly a baby that my needs, wants, and goals are unimportant to them. I feel that I cannot trust them at all, because of how they treated me. I go for long stretches where I don't talk to them at all. And, to repeat the point, this isn't because of the medicine. This is because they disregarded my needs, wants, and goals.

NORMALCY IS NOT A WORD
SOME REPUBLICAN MADE IT UP
IT IS NOT A REAL WORD #^$@%#&$%@*&$%IT!!!!!

just becasue it is likely to be integrated into the language doesnt mean I have to like it until it is... OK I admit it I just don't liek it because it was invented by a republican...   stupid republicans with their novel vocabulary...

EXACTLY!  See?  Some republican makes up a word, and it ends up in the dictionary.  It wasn't a word when wossisname first said it, I'll tell you that.

(watch someone dig up a copy of a period dictionary and prove me wrong...
actually I'm pretty sure on this one)

I will take that as a compliment.  I also regret to say that I have forgotten what the original topic was, although I just clicked on it a couple of seconds ago.  I do that alot.  Sometiems my subconscious hides things from me, and I have to have a scavenger hunt, and I end up thinking "why the hell did I put that in the glasses cabinet? *and why don't I remember doing it, even though it was literally only seconds ago?*"  Does anyone else have that problem?  And what was the topic of this thread anyway?

*edit*
Just realized you didn't even post this thread...  My head is playing tricks again.  I guess this thread is already far enough off the original topic...