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http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/local/BO40534/

Of course they are making the person with AS out to be the bad guy. He stood up for himself, i'm proud of him.

http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegion...eid=178138

The Boston Herald is saying the person with AS that defended himself is a "misfit with AS".

I'm going to write them a letter. Aholes.

Gareth Wrote:

KenM Wrote:

http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/local/BO40534/

Of course they are making the person with AS out to be the bad guy. He stood up for himself, i'm proud of him.

Then I am ashamed of you.

I have to agree with Gareth here, the choice made by the kid was a bad one. but I was once in his shoes.

I am not proud of the kid for stabbing the guy but at the sametime since this articule hits so close to home with me my thoughts are conflicting with each other.

on one side I think the guy murdered someone, you have to pay the consiquences for your actions. but the other side of me says that 6-9 years ago that couldve been me standing in that court room.

green0horse Wrote:

Gareth Wrote:

KenM Wrote:

http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/local/BO40534/

Of course they are making the person with AS out to be the bad guy. He stood up for himself, i'm proud of him.

Then I am ashamed of you.

I have to agree with Gareth here, the choice made by the kid was a bad one. but I was once in his shoes.

I am not proud of the kid for stabbing the guy but at the sametime since this articule hits so close to home with me my thoughts are conflicting with each other.

on one side I think the guy murdered someone, you have to pay the consiquences for your actions. but the other side of me says that 6-9 years ago that couldve been me standing in that court room.

So its ok for the kid to sit there like a doormat while he gets picked on? He was sick of being bullied, the adults at the school looked the other way to let it happen, and he lashed out. good for him to defend himself.

He said he did not want him to die after he stabbed him. So it seems to me he was defending himself and he died from his wounds, thats the price you pay when you mess with someone and that person defends himself.

KenM Wrote:

green0horse Wrote:

Gareth Wrote:

KenM Wrote:

http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/local/BO40534/

Of course they are making the person with AS out to be the bad guy. He stood up for himself, i'm proud of him.

Then I am ashamed of you.

I have to agree with Gareth here, the choice made by the kid was a bad one. but I was once in his shoes.

I am not proud of the kid for stabbing the guy but at the sametime since this articule hits so close to home with me my thoughts are conflicting with each other.

on one side I think the guy murdered someone, you have to pay the consiquences for your actions. but the other side of me says that 6-9 years ago that couldve been me standing in that court room.

So its ok for the kid to sit there like a doormat while he gets picked on? He was sick of being bullied, the adults at the school looked the other way to let it happen, and he lashed out. good for him to defend himself.

like I said, my thoughts are split... I still believe the kid was bullied, lashing out never did me any good either, it often seemed to make a bad situation worse. but at that same token what else is there to do when you have run out of options.

like I said at one point in my life this couldve been me. Im just lucky I never attacked anyone with a pencil. but the guy killed someone.

instead of judgeing the kid maybe we should write him letters, let him know that other aspies in the world are thinking of him. anyone have any contact information? this kid is going to be put away for a very long time. maybe it would help him to know he isnt alone in the world.

I'd like to find some contact info as well and let him know he is a hero.

Callista Wrote:

We don't know whether it was self-defense or murder, though. There just isn't enough evidence yet.

Regarding the possibility that he was bullied, I would not be surprised. If he was, it should be brought up when he is sentenced--it would be an extenuating circumstance and should decrease the punishment he receives.

Aspies are just as capable of evil as anyone else. To say we are not would be to delude ourselves... We are rational creatures, emotional creatures, fallible creatures. In that respect, we are not much different from the rest of humanity.

Still, I wish that, if this boy was a bullying victim, his abusers could also be brought to justice. Some time in juvie for assault and harassment would be just about right, I think. People are really stupid about bullying, because the worst the perpetrators ever seem to get is a detention; but if they did the exact same things to someone who wasn't a student, they could go to jail or even prison.

I agree

Gareth Wrote:

I must make something very clear here:
Anyone who wishes to attempt to contact this boy, please do not mention AFF or attempt to associate AFF in anyway with what you are doing.

request taken but I dont understand, yes what this kid did was wrong very wrong. it may be to late to really do anything for him but why do you insist on being so harsh?

your correct that we aren't sure if the kid was bullied but the probablity of it is atleast 60:40, if no one in the school liked him and refered to him as a freak, im sure they did plenty of other things to him as well.

the kid isnt innocent by any means but at the same time I was lead to believe that these were the kind of events were the kind of things that we wanted to help stop. it may not be as black and white as shock therapy but why would you want to focus on exterme situations only?

you were the one that stated "War Has Been Declared". it said in the articule that he didnt intend to kill the kid so we should atleast fight for his rights for manslaugter. why is it that when somehing contraversal such as this comes up you want to wash your hands of it?

but I respect you request... If I some how am able to write to this kid I will not include AFF in any of what I am doing, however I request that I be able to post any finding that I come across on the board for others that might agree with me to see.

I do not wish to undermine your authority but I ask that you atleast consider showing a little compasion. if not I understand and would not hold it against you. your thoughts and beliefs are yours my thoughts and beliefs are mine.

but if you are unwilling to compromise with those you wish to follow you I dont understand how you exspect to lead a group of people with differnt opinions and thoughts on just about everything.

thank you

LizHatter Wrote:

There is something I don't understand, not about this particular case but about a pattern I've been seeing on this website. So many people have said how they were bullied and beaten up because they have AS, and I don't get why that is happening to people because I have the same affliction but I have no experiences even remotely similar to being physically abused by other students. What they do to me is give me the cold shoulder and avoid me, if they don't like me. No one ever physically harmed me. So I'm wondering, to all those people here who have been physically bullied because of your disability, what have you been doing to make people want to beat you up? Maybe AS affects me in different ways than it affects other people or something, I don't know, but I've never done things that caused people to want to hurt me. And in my opinion, judging from my personal experiences, it's pretty easy to avoid fights. Hell, it's way more difficult to find them than to avoid them. Anyone in the high school I went to, well, I would imagine the only way I could ever persuade someone to hit me would be to hit them first. Most people don't want to start fights. They want to avoid them.

Emotional bullying is far more cruel than physical bullying.

"what have you been doing to make people want to beat you up?"

intresting that you say that... that was the same responce I always got by the staff in middle and high school. this kinda stuff went on for years in my life. some one recently wrote this about me "You really don't have to be so mean to everyone, and i know its cuz u didn't get enough love, and were hurt alot, but u do hurt alot of people unintentionally."

Gareth- my intentions were never to call this kid a hero, I just believe that the full story isn't being told. I really want to know what this kid was thinking because to be quite honest a part of myself is sitting in that prison cell with him.

its amazing, before I came to this web-site I thought me being aspie was something that had little to no effect on my life, I thought it was somehing that wasn't a part of who I was anymore... aspie was the past.

each day I come on this sit I realize something new about myself, and I realize how much being should aspie mean to me. I thank you all for that.

I was bullied in high school, middle school, and elementary school. I think it's terrible that there are IDIOTS out there who still think it's ok for one person to pick on another person because of his/her limitations. I think if the student was taught more ways of handling the harassment (walk away, talk to the principal, ect), this would not have happened. I PRAY that school has no recollection or documentation that states this kid needed help from the student that was killed because they are going to be in for a hell of a lawsuit. I think more schools need to start taking things more seriously and STOP blaming people with disabilities. I'm not saying that we shouldn't be held accountable for our actions, but the school should take some blame if they ignored the student's pleas for help. People with AS have difficulty communicating our feelings. It's sad that we have to "verbalize" rather than write what we feel. I'm also an autism support middle school teacher. It's sick that we have people who continue to bully others.

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rossco Wrote:

This is a hard one. He did kill someone. Did he murder them?
I hit someone once and they went down very hard and smashed their head on the concrete pad we were standing on. It split his head right open, knocked him out cold and there was blood puddling out. Scarey ***! For a brief time I wondered if I was going to end up in jail. If he had died, it would have been as a result of my actions and I would have been responsible for killing him. Would I have been a murderer?

At the end of the day let the court hear all evidence and rule on the decision. I think it would be best were we not to judge him or his intentions either way. Was he a nasty, creepy little kid looking for a sadistic thrill? Was he a poor innocent victim who did something out of character and more on instinct than anything else, resulting in a tragic loss of life? I don't know and I presume no-one on AFF does either. Endorsing him or demonising him as an individual is risky without knowing the full story.

There's a difference between hitting someone who then falls over and smacks his head on the ground, and going so far as to stab him with a knife. Think about it: he needed to procure an illegal weapon, carry it to school, and then carry it around until he could stab the other kid. That indicates that it was premeditated and excessive force, not a mere accident from self defence.

We need to be careful not to jump to defend everybody just because they have AS or autism. If this kid had been NT, everyone here would be condemning what he did. Defend AS, but do not defend the individual or their actions. Getting bullied is a crappy experience - but we all got through it without taking anyone's life, didn't we?

Besides, to what extent was bullying even involved in this case, anyway? The news articles I can find make precious little mention of whether or not Odgren was bullied by his victim.

the boy said he didnt want the (probably bully) to die. that is highly suggesting that he is an aspie.
the medication he was on was probably some of that mind altering drug *** they feed poor aspie children, and Probably wasnt in his right mind to begin with.

most aspies are strongly against murder, while many NTs even Support murder. we are NOT the dangerous ones. if he harme dteh oetrh kid he MUST have been defending himself, if hes an aspie, that is the only reason for which aspies and auties lash out, when we feel threatened or trapped. we do NOT have the "kill instinct" many NTs are born with and that fact has been proven.

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The incident appeared to stem from a fight between the two.

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"when police arrived Odgren had blood on his hands proclaiming to police "I did it. I did it". Odgren also allegedly said "Is he OK? I don't want him to die." Odgren's attorney, Jonathan Shapiro, is claiming that Odgren has Asperger's Syndrome and is obviously going to use that as his defense.

Asperger's is not an excuse for murder and to claim so does a great disservice to people with Asperger's. If this kind of defense continues pretty soon people will think that all people with Asperger's are potential killers. Not only that but you could also have people who don't have Asperger's claiming that they do just so they can use it as a defense.

In Massachusetts, anyone age 14 or older is automatically tried as an adult. Alenson was stabbed in the heart and the abdomen and had cuts on his neck. This was no accident.

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Students say assailant talked about murder, bombs:
Classmates of Odgren sure aren't painting him as some poor misunderstood kid…

    Just hours after a classmate was stabbed to death in a school bathroom, two Lincoln-Sudbury High School juniors yesterday said the student now accused of the killing often wore a trench coat to school and talked about murder, forensics and how he wanted to make a bomb.

    Brianna Hogge, also a junior at L-S, said "Jack" was "always asking how to get away with killing people and talking about how to make acid to make bombs. He was a really creepy kid."

    Hogge said the student "was always talking about murder, overly interested in forensics and not happy things."

    She said the young man had, in the past, talked to many students and some teachers about his unusual interests.

I wouldn't be surprised that if his claims of Asperger's and asking if the victim was ok was all part of a plan to try and get away with murder.

http://www.thetrenchcoat.com/archives/17...dbury.html
http://www.thetrenchcoat.com/archives/17...bbing.html

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