Aspies For Freedom

Wow stories like this keep coming up. The media seems have found a real scapegoat in people like us.

*offended*

HEY!!! YOU REPORTERS AND INVESTIGATOR ASSHOLES! TRY LOOKING A LITTLE INTO WHAT THE VICTIM DID?

(Not that I'm defending this kid for stabbing him, it's just I'm really tired of them aplways focusing on AS when this sort of thing happens. It's making me look bad!!!!!)

Did you guys not pay any attention to this line?  

"The defendant has a history of fairly serious psychological diagnoses and has also suffered from hyperactivity dysfunction for many years,"

He's probably got more stuff going on than just AS.

Not if he just suddenly snapped.

And this has been known to happen. A seemingly small event can set off a really violent action because the perpetrator has a lot of stored up rage. An example of this is what happens in the movie "Falling Down".

We don't have enough information about the background of previous interactions between the two boys but I would suspect they weren't positive.

If NTs were treated like Aspies are, they'd be prone to violence, too.

The fact that this guy used a weapon would really argue against his violence being caused by AS. Aspie violence--striking out in the middle of meltdowns, or when completely overwhelmed--is unthinking and primal, something you do because you can't think straight. Using a weapon, unless it was just something you happened to be holding at the time, means planning--and planning means it didn't have anything to do with Aspie overstimulation.

If he's guilty, he's a murderer. There's nothing that stops Aspies from being truly evil--in fact, with our frequently unemotional natures, I think we are capable of greater and more active evil (and greater good) than NTs are.

What this was, I think, was vengeance... Getting back at the people who hurt him; only with greater force. It was a wrong thing to do, a choice he made.

But I think perhaps that if people had taught this Aspie boy how to properly deal with bullying... and then had actually helped him out when he followed the instruction to report bullying to an authority... Then I think this would not have gone this far.

This is precisely the reason why violent videogames are good for you. They let you take out your rage on something that doesn't exist, so you don't kill anyone later.

This guy must not have anything else to take out his anger upon. Violent Videogames or punching bags should be recommended to people who are easily pissed off.

I think there's a slight possibility that Odgren was persuaded or manipulated to attack his school mate by a third party. It's just something that comes to mind...

We don't know whether it was self-defense or murder, though. There just isn't enough evidence yet.

Regarding the possibility that he was bullied, I would not be surprised. If he was, it should be brought up when he is sentenced--it would be an extenuating circumstance and should decrease the punishment he receives.

Aspies are just as capable of evil as anyone else. To say we are not would be to delude ourselves... We are rational creatures, emotional creatures, fallible creatures. In that respect, we are not much different from the rest of humanity.

Still, I wish that, if this boy was a bullying victim, his abusers could also be brought to justice. Some time in juvie for assault and harassment would be just about right, I think. People are really stupid about bullying, because the worst the perpetrators ever seem to get is a detention; but if they did the exact same things to someone who wasn't a student, they could go to jail or even prison.

I hope this does something. Even if it causes more hate, I really hope it does. Like a cure too. That way we can get out of this stage of waiting and watching. It sucks that our anti-social nature makes us unlikely to band together in protest, but maybe some big event might let that happen.

In school it is 'cool' to look hard by hitting people. Naturally the people doing the hitting are going to target somebody who does not hit back, or who doesn't have as many friends to back him/her up.

In my case the bullies were merely trying to provoke a reaction out of me. When I was alot younger when social situations got a bit too much for me to handle I would react with anger and I gained a bit of a reputation. Fortunatly for them I had learnt to control my anger enough not to react to it.

Well, this brought up a lot of memories...

I was raised in blue collar environment, and while there were differences in some situations as to the type of bullying that went on, as a female, I was bullied by both boys and girls, and I was attacked by both.

Some of the reasons were I was the tallest and earliest developed kid in my school, and I was a tomboy with athletic skills.  I hung out with the boys, and got grouped with the boys because of my interests, but I had to put up with their insults and punches, until one boy who had a nasty habit of pulling my waist long hair found himself hanging by his ratty blond mop off of his feet with me yelling in his face to stop acting like a putz and leave me alone.

Let's just say the rest of the gang was impressed.

I often think on how the bullying has molded my psyche.  Rossco, do you find that maybe there is a down side to being so tough and self reliant?  I think that if one survives the messed up treatment of one's past, a person does come out stronger, but I've noticed there are some emotional walls I've put up to protect myself.  

Well, now I'm a bit pensive.

Metta, Jaye

I am in 100% total agreeance. I didn't read a WORD about what the victim might've done to precipitate the ordeal. That is so unfair.

Exactly why I have a 007: From Russia With Love Demo at the ready.

Why were they at school at 7.20 am?  Here in Australia most school gates are locked until around 8.00, when teachers start to arrive for the day.  Or was this a boarding school?  I find it odd that two boys would meet up in a secluded bathroom that early in the morning. I agree with the other posters, more has been going on with this pair than reported.
Alison