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Okay people, I'm 56, which makes me waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay older than most of you. This means that when I was growing up, the concept of Asperger's/HFA didn't exist.  I was just considered to be "weird" or "different" in both good and bad senses. I was "off" or "odd" but not in ways that were sufficiently glaring as to cause major problems.  I did well in school, and my parents were very strict, so things were pretty structured and regimented.  Yet, my parents were also permissive about many things that parents tend not to be permissive about now...like letting me play in the woods by myself and walk everywhere as a young child. We didn't have "play groups" or daycare.  I sought out being alone and was allowed to amuse myself.  I had no interest in girlie stuff such as dolls, tea sets, playing house, etc.  And lots of interest in structure-type stuff...construction materials, clay, paint, jig saw puzzles etc.  My mom was always telling me to look at people, I didn't recognize people I was supposed to know, like my Uncle, and I was awkward as all getout.  But I was also considered kind of endearing, because people would never know what off-the-wall statement I would come out with.  My Mom would tell me that sometimes you have to lie so as not to hurt peoples' feelings.

Teenage years were hell.  My friends started getting all interested in boys and make-up and clothes and I had no interest in any of that.  Way back then, we pretty much didn't have a concept of homosexuality either.  This was the early-mid 60s--before the feminist and gay revolutions. I kept kind of waiting for the promised attractions to happen, and they never did (and I didn't recognize the attractions I had for what they were).  In some ways, college was even worse hell, because I'd get asked out on dates and then get accused of being cold, frigid, screwed up, bla bla bla when guys would kiss me or try to.  I had no idea how to prevent this from happening.  I laugh now, thinking about it, about how I'd be going on and on about chemical bonding or some other subject fascinating to me and nobody else and the guy would eventually just lunge. And I'd be surprised.  Every time.  I never learned. I dealt with it finally by refusing to go on dates.

Then, in my 20s, and by now it's the 70s, when things are more open, I tried to explore the gay side, with somewhat similar results.  I was too scared to initiate anything and too scared to have anyone initiate something with me. In my 30s, I tried relationships with both men and women with no success.  Basically, the physical stuff was either too scary or too awkward or too uninteresting--I'm not sure which, maybe all, so I gave up on it and have not been in a relationship for 20 years. Or even dated.

About 7 or 8 years ago, a friend pointed out that she thought I was mildly autistic, and a colleague told me his son had something called "Asperger's Syndrome" and, come to think of it, he says, you might also have it.  So I looked it up, but there wasn't much to find (this being about 1998 or so). There's much that fits, and much that doesn't. I actually do social interaction pretty well, as long as I'm in a group of fairly like-minded people (like work) or friends where we share some interests.  Social chit-chat bores me totally (unless it's psychoanalyzing co-workers or something like that).  I have a job that requires a lot of organization and interaction and I do well at it. So I don't have the poor executive function that many aspies say they have.

I think that people knowing me now would consider me pretty well-adjusted, not normal exactly, but not someone with difficulty navigating everyday life either.  They think it's weird that I don't own a TV or a car, and they wonder how I could possibly function, but they see that I do.

So this rambling is all preface to some of the things that I'm wondering.  Am I an aspie who's managed to cope and adjust and accomodate to the point where it's easy for me to forget the various difficulties I've had because I've learned how to compensate?  (Note: it helps that I've landed in a work situation that's both safe and plays to my strengths--I'm the perpetual student type who's pretty much not gotten outside the academy and have persued various special interests serially.) Or, am I just a quirky NT with a few aspie-like qualities?  

I don't know.  Maybe it doesn't matter.  Except for the desire for self-understanding.  And a desire not to misrepresent myself on a forum such as this.

I'd like to hear from older aspies--have things in life gotten better for you as you've aged?  Worse?  Some of both? I'm curious.
I guess I can add that it's hard to make sense of things when there are no concepts or when the concepts are unclear or when many things sort of fit and sort of don't.

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Am I an aspie who's managed to cope and adjust and accomodate to the point where it's easy for me to forget the various difficulties I've had because I've learned how to compensate?  (Note: it helps that I've landed in a work situation that's both safe and plays to my strengths--I'm the perpetual student type who's pretty much not gotten outside the academy and have persued various special interests serially.)


Note: I'm no expert, but this gets my vote.

Also - you sound like such a fascinating person!! Big Grin

Energeia--

I am in my forties, and I have found that things have gotten easier.

I am pretty high functioning, and despite an unsupportive background, was able to get a degree, and until I had to quit working due to a physical disability, was employed for twenty years.  

I found ways of coping, and I analyzed every situation, and sorted through my reactions, and other people's reactions, and tried to learn how to act in social situations.  I was, and am, frustrated by an inability to really connect with people, though with the AS dx I am understanding how I work, and knowing it's a neurological as opposed to a character flaw that I was somehow unable (and unwilling, hinted at by counselors) to change.  Now, any anxiety I felt around people is greatly alleviated by my own version of exposure therapy, and I understand why it is I need down time to recoup and zone.  The AS dx also explained my "quirks"-behaviors I was embarrassed by, and now accept much better.

It's part of a learning curve for those of us who are able to adapt quickly.  I feel lucky on one level, because I didn't go through some of the horror stories people with more accentuated AS and who have Kanner's Syndrome have had to go through, with forced institutional internment, and terrible treatment and therapy.  

You are a role model to me, that it is possible to have a life with meaning and fulfillment.  I am going back to get my doctorate so I can teach at university and participate in research, and I feel empowered to hear stories such as yours.

Perhaps "NT" and "AS" are all part of a spectrum, and we are each on a point on it, and the Autism Spectrum is not separate from everyone who's considered "normal."

Metta, Jaye. Cool
Whoa, thanks, 7 and Jaye!

Something else I was thinking....on this forum there are lots of aspies who've managed to get married and many who've managed to have and parent children.  This is something I simply cannot and never could imagine myself being able to do.  Even if  I could have figured out the sex stuff, I doubt that I could have handled the intimacy stuff.  Just the thought of sharing a bed with somebody makes me cringe.  The few times I tried it I couldn't sleep--could never figure out where to put my arms, for one thing.  I think that's symbolic of how I would have a hard time really fitting with somebody long term. (I've had long term friends but it's not the same thing as a long term significant other.)  So yeah, somebody can be really advanced in some things and totally unskilled in others.

For me, knowledge and learning was a refuge.
I often wish that I were more adventurous and had more courage to take risks in the real world.
Energeia, I appreciate your posts because I too have come to the point of seeing myself as being in between Aspie and NT (my official diagnosis is "very high functioning Asperger's person," taking into account my social skills, which have greatly improved since my awkward childhood and very solitary adolescence).  I have always been introverted and "different," but like you I socialize well enough when I am with compatible people (I love psychoanalyzing people! Big Grin ) and I am organized enough to do my (admittedly simple) job well.  ADD medication has definitely improved my executive functioning somewhat, and also enabled me to stay more "present" in conversation, but even without it I functioned well enough to support myself and have friends.  However, at 40 I still don't drive.  Driving is unpredictable and demands more concentration than I believe I can maintain; I still live very much "in my head" and fear that my still-constant daydreaming would prevent me from reacting quickly enough to the multiple hazards of the road.  I also have never dated...always assumed I would "one day," after losing weight (the weight has been my excuse for my singleness since I was 14; now I finally admit, with no regrets, that I simply don't want an intimate relationship, especially since touch does nothing for me.)  I now socialize mostly at work, see a few friends outside of work, and live very happily alone. Big Grin The hardest thing for me to understand has been my lifelong failure to achieve academically and professionally at the level that I expected of myself.  Learning first about ADD and then about my aspie traits has helped me to stop comparing myself to my more NT friends and to appreciate the quirky way my mind works.  It's good to hear from others who are at these "in between" places on the autistic spectrum.  Thanks largely to these forums, life has definitely gotten better! Cool     
Hi CBC
Re: Driving--I can relate.  My mom made me get my license when I was 16 so I drove for two years, then didn't again till the two years when I owned a car (27-29) and then haven't since.  I don't trust my reflexes and have poor depth perception.  Luckily I've managed to live in cities that either have good public transportation or were flat, so I could bike around them. If my job ever moves out to one of those ugly industrial parks in the suberbs I'm screwed.  I hate it that our society (USA) is so car-dependent. Especially given the oil situation.

Some of my friends are jealous about all the money I save by virtue of not having a car to support.

Re:  intimate relationships....it was psychologically freeing for me when I finally said "enough already", I'm not going to try this again.  I suppose it's logically possible that I could fall in love and have it be reciprocated, but it's not something I'm hoping for.  It'd have to blindside me.

Re: academics--nothing to prevent lifelong learning.  Especially with the internet--I'm so grateful for Google and the web.  The higher echelons of academia bring all sorts of pressures.  I got off the track and into "research scientist" rather than "professor" mode, and I don't regret this. Although now I'm wishing I could start over, in art, or something like that.  I've been over-developed on the logic side and underdeveloped on the sensory side so far in my life.
Energeia and Couldbecousin--

Your last few posts have contained the sort of thing I have been looking for on this site for the last few months now.

I appreciate the younger people and their input as that gives me insight into my younger days, but as a "slightly" (Tongue) older Aspie, we have different experiences because we've gone beyond those initial experiences, and understand ourselves a little bit better, and possibly have accepted some things a bit better as well.

Couldbecousin, I have the exact concerns you have about not fulfilling my academic potential.  I scored so highly on my SATS, on the Wechsler, etc., and then to barely make it through college...?  It took everything I had, and I had no social contact with anyone, including my family (which had some advantages).  

Thank you both, and you, Energeia, for starting this thread.

Metta, Jaye.
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