Exactly doctors r useless sometimes. My mother researched stuff on the net & asked my specialist (who Id been seeing for about 8 years for my Diabeties/Tourettes) about autism & he looked at me & said "why didnt *I* realise this, its so obvious he has some form of it". Next thing I new we were in the city, I was extremely irritated, I was in an unfamiliar part of the city, in a strange building, sitting on a tiny chair in a strange room clearly aimed at 5 years old & then to make matters much worse I had to talk to a complete stranger. 5 Mins later she walked out of my room & said "Ya he definetly has Aspergers" to my parents.. I was 15 then I had already accepted that I was different, as far as I was concerned this was just a name for my strange behaivour (even though I thought they were the strange 1s) & didnt even really know much about it until a few weeks ago actually when I decided to look it up.
This is what Id want NTs to know
Some of us are brutially honest, we'll say things that may sound mean/hurtful & we wont hide/hold anything back. We also arnt good at picking up on gestures so when we have said something to upset u dont just give us a weird look or get very angry. We wont know wat ur getting so worked up about. U have to explain to us why wat we said was hurtful otherwise it's likely we'll say something similar again. We're not being mean on purpose we're just to honest for our own good sometimes.
Thats from my experiences with my NT friend.. Dont know how many other people it aplies to.
I go to my sisters once a month for 2 or 3 days to use her broadband net connection & to give my mum a (apparently) much needed break from me. Its the opposite direction for us. When I get it the car I ask her if she missed me & she just laughs & says she had a wonderful time at home, then she asks if I missed her & I say Nope I got all the Downloads I was planning to get for the next 2 months in 2 days. Why would I have missed u? & she just laughs some more..
It seems from alot of things I've read that alot of Aspies have problems with their familay understand them. My family is great, they get me perfectly & there all a bunch of NTs. My mum was a nurse before she married my dad so she learnt how to deal in situations with unsocial people. I was the worst she ever got mind u. Though I think my mum must have sat down with my sister when she was little & told her things she couldnt do to/with me. We've gotten on well for the most part. She was a very independant kid so she didnt need alot of attention which is probably why we get on so well now, we didnt drive each other crazy as kids cos we spent little time together lol.....sry a bit of topic
I actually couldnt *lie* until I was about 13. It never occorued to me to do it.. I would always think some time later "I should have lied" & told myself that I would try the next time an opportunity came up. When I became aware of times to do it (took alot of effort) I would, but it was such an unusual thing to do my tics (tourettes) would go of more then usual so my mother could always tell just from my tics. I can lie now relatively well, though my mother is still quite good at catching me out. But alot of people cant tell. but it took about 7 years of figuring out how to actually make myself do it & when it was good to tell lies & when it wasnt...
Im a bit curious as well. Were other Apsies honest to a 'T' when they were growing up. Im still honest as hell but my mother knows that as does my sister/sisters BF & my friends.. There have been quite a few times I've had to appologise to an NT friend just to get back on good ground even though I didnt think Id done anything wrong.. All NTs expect an apology even if it seems like the smallest thing in the world. I've just learnt to say sorry when I upset them. I have to remind them sometimes I have AS cos my friends occasionally forget, Im VERY high functioning but I still have my probs.. The last time I went to my NT friends house she did something which totally freaked me out & I (apparently) over-reacted & she kept doing it cos she thought I wasnt being serious & I've now told her that if she dies before me at her funeral Im going to give a speech & say how good friends we r but I can never forgive u for getting ur nephew's slobber all over my arm so I wont be to upset if u go to hell... Its a long story but ya I can picture it in my head 40 years from now an old frail me telling the story & her nephew sitting there, after my speech just says "man grow up" & walks out. lol... again a bit of topic.
Im not really sure where I got it from to be honest. I didnt have it when I was younger but I did by the time I got to High School. I guess I could have picked it up somewhere but as far as I know nobody I knew back then had a Gay accent & I dont think its very logical if it was natural cos not all gay people have it either, some sound like everybody else though it does seem like more have it then not. I dont have a clue, Id like to know where I got mine from & if I got it from a person Id give them a piece of my mind cos of that damn accent I got 3 years of hell at High School.
Sry I know that doesnt answer ur question at all but I dont have a clue... I dont know if anybody does... I could be wrong of course.
This thread is a little disturbing.
how so?
Someone in another thread raised the idea that NTs who are great at Math must have similar neural wiring to autistics. There is no solid proof to support this idea, however, and I personally feel that it's complete bunk.
After all, the majority of engineers, scientists, math teachers, etc, are NT. Gifted NT, but NT nonetheless.
You can have a gifted AS who excels in all things literary but totally sucks at Math, but that does not make them any "less autistic." I know plenty of such individuals on AFF. And you can have a gifted NT who doesn't much care for the arts and humanities but is passionate about math and science, and that does not make them "autistic-like."
Please, can we cut the cord on the "Math is the autistic way" statement?
We can't have a bunch of Aspies with computer skills spreading rumors that, or implying that, all Aspies have strong technical or math or science skills or aptitudes just because they want jobs in the field.
Hype! Hype! Hype! Hype! Hype!
Hire an Aspie! Hire an Aspie!
We write code! We write code!
Hire an Aspie! Hire an Aspie!
Hype! Hype! Hype! Hype! Hype!
It is selfish, it is a lie, it is a fraud, and it is harmful to people like Batman55.
I'm glad to see you're now able to acknowledge that some Aspies simply don't have the "typical" gifts (which you obviously have in abundance.) I hope this new understanding of yours is here to stay.
What if I was not a computer Aspie and my dad said, your brother is a computer whiz, you're an Aspie, be a computer whiz?
Believe it or not, GuessWho--that's what I wanted for myself from a young age. My brother was learning how to fix computers and eventually got into programming languages, fairly successful at it. I was trying to learn from him, but nothing--hardly a single thing--"sunk in." It was just not working as I wanted it to.
Still, I was interested in programming, and started fooling around with the TI-82 Basic language for many hours at a time. But then I realized it was taking me about 10x the amount of time to learn as it would for the average person. And I could hardly do the math, and overall, things would take forever. Eventually I knew it was not for me, and no matter how hard I tried, the Math inadequacy and other issues (short-term memory deficit especially) would keep me from doing it.
I've always been artistic/creatively-inclined and never had much interest in Math, as it is. So, just like you have different NTs with different interests/talents, you have different AS people with different interests/talents.
Batman, your profile says you are self diagnosed. Perhaps you are incorrect and you are not Aspie?
Sorry, I do not take my earlier comment about your tendency to spout Aspie-centric crap.
9 out of 10 Aspies are computer programming material? You need an intervention.
I've seen the actual figure quoted in an earlier thread - around 10% of aspies display exceptional mathematic or scientific skills. It's a much higher percentage than the average population, but at the same time, it means the stereotype doesn't work 90% of the time.
Whether I am officially or unofficially diagnosed, GuessWho, you still need to realize your Aspiecentric stuff is bothering the hell out of me, and other Aspies who don't have the skills that you, Chris Marsh, has. I'd venture to say only 1 out of 300 Aspies has the precise skill set that Chris Marsh has, which, ironically, is the one you seem to think "most Aspies have."
Thanks, EvilZakkie for clearing that up.
I didn't mean to be rough, Batman, but a fact is a fact, and we need to be solid in our facts if we are to take on WIRED magazine. Self-diagnosed Aspie, that is not going to impress WIRED magazine much. When you debate, or you are in court, you need solid facts to fight with, like, Chris Marsh was diagnosed and re-diagnosed at Marshall University in 1996 and 1997, and again by the state of Maryland in 1998.
I agree that we need facts and my self-diagnosis does not count in this case. So I will refer you to Ethel, who--if called upon to do so-- I'm sure could produce the necessary paperwork to show you that she has the official Asperger diagnosis. I say Ethel because she has a similar skill profile to mine, which sharply contrasts with yours.
Aspies without the skills that Chris Marsh has, exist. We're here, and we're trying to get through to you. And we're not happy about being excluded by WIRED magazine and any number of other publications that have perpetuated stereotypes.
Why would you presume that ? My husband (NT) works in computers. Actually the motto around his workplace is if my husband cant fix it no one can. What say you to that? He actually just completed his MCSE. Perhaps another promotion - he's only had 4 so far
I'd also like to think no one is special just different.
No need to brag... there are people here (me) who are 26 years old and couldn't handle a few classes at local community college. Watch what you say around the untalented, dim, and envious.
I agree with what you have said.I would also like to add that , yes amongst us aspies there are math whizs and people with musical prowness beyond compare , and also all the other higher intelligence things .Please remember that in the NT world there are just as many genious types and none of them are on the spectrum...being smart is a human condition.....
What about "not being smart"? It's sub-human, isn't it?
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