Aspies For Freedom

I read through this whole thread Smile

thanks everyone for sharing all this - very helpful in understanding my son more.

Five thing si want NTs to know?

It's all fun and games when you guys act eccentric and laugh about it. I can't help acting eccentric, and sometimes I wish I could act like you guys so you'd stop laughing at me.

Contrary to your beleifs, I do have emotions, and it is possible to hurt my feelings.

I'm not stupid. I'm not *** or idiotic. I have an IQ in excess fo 140 and an encyclopedic knowledge of the entire history of the world. I have better grades than most of you guys and the reason you're not getting to college for free is because guys like me keep on raising the curve on the PSAT, SAT, and ACT. So for the last time, stop offering to help me.

Yes, I do care about girls. Yes, I do want a date. I just suck at trying to get one, because you all confuse the hell out of me and I'm nervous about talking to girls.

But what do I really want you to know? I'm a human being. Treat me like one.

CyberOptics2 Wrote:

The problem is, NT's by nature, don't usually seem to care to find out about us. They offer all sorts of ways you can learn how to adapt to them, but they certainly are not committed to adapting back.

This shows that NT's (in my opinion) think of themselves as the superiors. They think they have superior thinking and THEREFORE all others much reach up (or down) to their f*cked up standards. Apologies for the lewdness but I thought it was artful and made the proper point, to use it in that sentence.

That's more human nature than anything else. Humans are a social animal that enjoys forming tribes. Humans are automatically wary of outsiders as they fear that they are a threat. This mentality was quite useful when the visitor could just be entering to count your numbers in order to attack, but now, in modern society, it is a social inhibitor.

Batman55 Wrote:

IAintRainMan Wrote:

I'm not stupid. I'm not *** or idiotic. I have an IQ in excess fo 140 and an encyclopedic knowledge of the entire history of the world. I have better grades than most of you guys and the reason you're not getting to college for free is because guys like me keep on raising the curve on the PSAT, SAT, and ACT. So for the last time, stop offering to help me.

You're disregarding the Aspies that are very poor in school, though. As if you think Aspies are "naturally better" in academics than NTs are. If people like me are proof, that's just another annoying stereotype.

I wasn;t talking about aspies in general. I was talking about what I, as an individual who is an aspie, want NTs to know about me, as an individual who is an aspie. It's true that a lot of aspies aren't great at school. Another thing I want NTs to know is that not all aspies are alike, and that very few aspies are anything like the sterytyped "Rain Man" savant style. In fact, I've never met an aspie like that. I want NTs to know that we aspies are individuals. Obviously, the thing I put down doesn't apply to all aspies. Some aspies would probably prefer academic help. But I, as an individual, find it annoying.

Anthony1989 Wrote:

4. I am afraid/disgusted of/with procreation.

I don't want to hear about it, period. It turns people into objects and is rather unpleasant to me. It also brings people into the world forcefully. I don't believe this planet is suited for anymore lives to be brought into it. The ratio of suffering is far too great in my eyes. All in all, it's just bad news to me. You can like it all you want, but keep it to yourself please.

Sex is an important aspect of humanity, and for that matter all species that exhibit sexual dimorphism. Therefore, sex is everywhere and will always be there as long as we retain our sexual dimorphism.

There's no other way to be brought into the world but forcibly. No human has ever willingly entered the world. No human ever said, "Yes, I want to be born." There is no choice in the matter. The choice of life is whether to continue, no whether to start.

People must continue to be born. We cannot just lay down and die. Humanity must continue.

Batman55 Wrote:

MomofHrick Wrote:

One thing you seem to be saying here is Do NOT assume, that just because I am AS it means I have some unique talent or hyperability. Sometimes it just means having to struggle harder at things, a lot of things. In which case we should at very least give you credit for the struggle.

I admit to not having the best attitude about this very point... as in: I don't quite believe that I should have to struggle "more than the next Aspie who DOES have hyperabilities" because of my lack of them.

My idea right now is to find something I'm good at and like to do, and maximize that, and avoid the rest of the crap I'm really no good at. Make my struggle about improving my strengths, not about "fixing my great deficits."

...credit for the struggle...? thank you for that idea Momofhrick.It has been my experience that it is that very struggle that causes people to say,"If you would just listen better you would learn".To them it must appear I don't listen.I listen,I hear,I just don't get what is being said.

What about NTs that did great in Math? Big Grin

GuessWho Wrote:

I was shocked in school: what? People find this algebra stuff difficult?

And NTs wonder.... what? they find relationships challenging?

Do you try to be condescending or is it just coming off as such?

GuessWho Wrote:

A great many HRs would rather hire a second or third rate person, an NT they can relate to, rather than a first rate person, if it is an Aspie they can't relate to (or if it takes "too much trouble" to learn to relate, better rephrased)

If you can't relate to an NT, you're disabled, you're unemployed, it's your fault.
If an NT can't relate to you, he or she is normal, he or she is employed, it isn't his or her fault (but it is)

Batman55 Wrote:

Someone in another thread raised the idea that NTs who are great at Math must have similar neural wiring to autistics.  There is no solid proof to support this idea, however, and I personally feel that it's complete bunk.

After all, the majority of engineers, scientists, math teachers, etc, are NT.  Gifted NT, but NT nonetheless.

You can have a gifted AS who excels in all things literary but totally sucks at Math, but that does not make them any "less autistic."  I know plenty of such individuals on AFF.  And you can have a gifted NT who doesn't much care for the arts and humanities but is passionate about math and science, and that does not make them "autistic-like."

Please, can we cut the cord on the "Math is the autistic way" statement?

Cut the cord, Batman Smile I'm not one for stereotypes. There are those on here that think NTs are stupid. I think that being on the National Honor Society in high school and being in the top 5 in my class might say otherwise so I'm getting rather annoyed by some people. Not you Smile

GuessWho Wrote:

Breeze Wrote:

Do you try to be condescending or is it just coming off as such?

GuessWho Wrote:

Coming off as such.

OK Smile Thanks for the clarification.

Why would you presume that ? My husband (NT) works in computers. Actually the motto around his workplace is if my husband cant fix it no one can. What say you to that? He actually just completed his MCSE. Perhaps another promotion - he's only had 4 so far Wink

I'd also like to think no one is special just different.

GuessWho Wrote:

Well, it is part of the argument, Pakrat.... we have to presume that <10% of NTs have computer talent. How many? Why does it seem to NTs that Aspies are so special?

He's not the only NT in the IT department. Of course we can see that some of the people are Aspies in his dept. they are in the minorty though.

GuessWho Wrote:

Breeze...... if your husband comes from the "general population", EvilZakkie might suggest he is a rare kind of man, a rare breed.

I should mention at his company - programmers can work from home and most do so I cant say what their neurology is since I never met them.
I see your point. I do like that my husbands company does not exclude those with disabilities as I do see many that do.

GuessWho Wrote:

Of course, simply because a greater percentage of Aspies than NTs have computer aptitude does not mean that they will be reflected in every office. Corporate culture still has an awful lot of Mr. Slates still "hav[ing] a gay old time" in the Stone Age of human resources.

I stay where I am at because I realize many computer-age companies have Stone Age cultures with respect to Aspies. If you find a modern culture that respects Aspies, stay put. Don't worry about the money. Exactly what is a million dollars a year worth if they fire your *** in a week if they don't like your kind?

GuessWho Wrote:

$20,000. But you see what I mean in general terms.

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