Aspies For Freedom

Just earlier today, a boy who goes to my school and says he has AS came up to me and called my name in an urgent tone, and all he had to say was hi...

Most threads do generate discussion, and that discussion needs to be permitted. In this case, someone made an incorrect statement (aspies have superior intelligence), and this statement was challenged.

No-one ever has the right to express a personal opinion, and then deny others right of reply to their opinion.

Also, saying an idea is crap is not the same thing as saying the person expressing the idea is crap. Some ideas are crap, and the idea that aspies are more intelligent than NT's is one of these. In fact, I believe the minority expressing this idea is the main reason that neurodiversity is not taken seriously - so it's very important to address it.

If the person wanted to say "I am more intelligent than everyone else", then they would be challenged for it. Why should the rules be any different just because the word "aspie" was inserted?

True - it was Lucie's phrase I was referring to:

Thanks, EvilZakkie for clearing that up.  

I didn't mean to be rough, Batman, but a fact is a fact, and we need to be solid in our facts if we are to take on WIRED magazine.  Self-diagnosed Aspie, that is not going to impress WIRED magazine much.  When you debate, or you are in court, you need solid facts to fight with, like, Chris Marsh was diagnosed and re-diagnosed at Marshall University in 1996 and 1997, and again by the state of Maryland in 1998.

So, EvilZakkie, where does WIRED magazine get off saying "math and tech genes" and Asperger if only 10% of Aspergers have math and tech?

"get off".... sounds like they're enjoying it, but they need to get off our back.

I guess psychiatrists are human beings and they find what they are looking for, or do not find what they are not looking for.  That is why they seem to find Asperger in mathematic savants or in boys more than in girls.  But we do not need prejudice here.

And by comparison how many NTs percentagewise have the math and computer talents?

ooops, sorry Ethel.
Real human being here with real feelings, mature adult.

It is a valid proposition that psychs are underestimating AS in women.  I stand by it because it has been noted by others, Pakrat, I think.

Well, it is part of the argument, Pakrat.... we have to presume that <10% of NTs have computer talent.  How many?  Why does it seem to NTs that Aspies are so special?

Breeze...... if your husband comes from the "general population", EvilZakkie might suggest he is a rare kind of man, a rare breed.

I meant "special" in the sense that when NTs write articles in computer magazines, it seems incredible to the NT authors and the NTs who read the articles that Aspies have this rich clustered concentration of computer talent, even if we Aspies know it is only about 10% of us.

Of course, simply because a greater percentage of Aspies than NTs have computer aptitude does not mean that they will be reflected in every office.  Corporate culture still has an awful lot of Mr. Slates still "hav[ing] a gay old time" in the Stone Age of human resources.

I stay where I am at because I realize many computer-age companies have Stone Age cultures with respect to Aspies.  If you find a modern culture that respects Aspies, stay put.  Don't worry about the money.  Exactly what is a million dollars a year worth if they fire your *** in a week if they don't like your kind?

$20,000.  But you see what I mean in general terms.

We don't like your kind =
a. We don't know how to deal with Aspies
b. and it takes too long to learn
c. or we are too old to learn
d. or it is too hard to learn
e. or we are too lazy
f. or you are supposed to accommodate to us bucko

Oh please! Truly, you flatter us.

I think that you are correct, though you may have more than one thing to say, since that which you write is based on the predication that your own condition falls in the range of normalcy.

Your talents are truly extraordinary if you are able to find all the prime numbers in licence plates at car parks and address labels. Really, I'm not making fun.

Someone I know has been multiplying two and three digit numbers in his head, placing my own business skills in the the glare of my own critical analysis.

However, if we had no basis for comparison between ourselves and others, even if that comparison involves some labels by which to measure our achievements and progress, then we should find ourselves in a quagmire of self-doubt and a sea of uncertainty.

By the same logic if we chain ourselves to conventional terms, by which others form definitions for comparison, we should find ourselves lacking any motivation to break new bounds.

As for the numbers: practice make perfect. I agree. Why stop now.
And, who cares about about their silly IQ test.
 

No wiser words could have been stated. However, finding that life mission is somewhat harder for some of us than others. Perhaps self-actualisation is then inhibited by worry about labels.