1Big Grinon't say 'Hello' if you are only makeing yourself do it, or just passing by. It is used to introduce one's self, not say at the drop of a hat for no reason. Thus, please don't get angry, NTs, if we don't say "Hi' because we need a reason to do so.
Just earlier today, a boy who goes to my school and says he has AS came up to me and called my name in an urgent tone, and all he had to say was hi...
This thread (on an aspie forum) was about aspies telling NT's what they wanted NT's to know. If some aspies want NT's to know they are intelligent - fine! This thread offers people a chance to express a personal opinion - not fall in to or conform to the expectations of others.
Most threads do generate discussion, and that discussion needs to be permitted. In this case, someone made an incorrect statement (aspies have superior intelligence), and this statement was challenged.
No-one ever has the right to express a personal opinion, and then deny others right of reply to their opinion.
Also, saying an idea is crap is not the same thing as saying the person expressing the idea is crap. Some ideas are crap, and the idea that aspies are more intelligent than NT's is one of these. In fact, I believe the minority expressing this idea is the main reason that neurodiversity is not taken seriously - so it's very important to address it.
If the person wanted to say "I am more intelligent than everyone else", then they would be challenged for it. Why should the rules be any different just because the word "aspie" was inserted?
While we're arguing semantics and avoiding the real issue, which is this brewing notion of Aspie Supremacy, please note nowhere in this thread have I used the word "crap", to describe anyone's ideas or for any other reason.
True - it was Lucie's phrase I was referring to:
Let those with higher intelligence feel free to express their individual thoughts freely - without fear of being told their ideas are crap.
Sorry Zakkie (and everyone else too!) - I was still on page seven when I posted #112, and I didn't realise there was another page to go, and the discussion had moved on somewhat!
This thread's been great. Really, really valuable. And no, I'm not being sarcastic, I mean it. It's gone from being "what do Aspies as a group want to tell NTs as a group" to "what Aspies agree on as a group anyway" - and we've found some pretty big rifts. That's important, because we have to have these discussions and arguments between ourselves to sort out what we DO stand for, before we march out en masse, banners aloft and heads high, campaigning for, um... whatever it is we agree eventually we're campaigning for.
*grins* No probs - it's the problem with these threaded discussions...
That being said, I think the above is a big enough question to warrent its own thread - especially since this one is going to be used as an info source for a magazine article.
I've started one here: http://www.aspiesforfreedom.com/showthre...?tid=12314
I guess psychiatrists are human beings and they find what they are looking for, or do not find what they are not looking for. That is why they seem to find Asperger in mathematic savants or in boys more than in girls. But we do not need prejudice here.
And by comparison how many NTs percentagewise have the math and computer talents?
ooops, sorry Ethel.
Real human being here with real feelings, mature adult.
It is a valid proposition that psychs are underestimating AS in women. I stand by it because it has been noted by others, Pakrat, I think.
Well, it is part of the argument, Pakrat.... we have to presume that <10% of NTs have computer talent. How many? Why does it seem to NTs that Aspies are so special?
It's an accurate article - autistics are over-represented in IT circles. 10% may not sound like a lot, but it's an extremely high figure compared with the general population. It's just not high enough that you can apply the stereotype to autistics in general.
Breeze...... if your husband comes from the "general population", EvilZakkie might suggest he is a rare kind of man, a rare breed.
I meant "special" in the sense that when NTs write articles in computer magazines, it seems incredible to the NT authors and the NTs who read the articles that Aspies have this rich clustered concentration of computer talent, even if we Aspies know it is only about 10% of us.
Of course, simply because a greater percentage of Aspies than NTs have computer aptitude does not mean that they will be reflected in every office. Corporate culture still has an awful lot of Mr. Slates still "hav[ing] a gay old time" in the Stone Age of human resources.
I stay where I am at because I realize many computer-age companies have Stone Age cultures with respect to Aspies. If you find a modern culture that respects Aspies, stay put. Don't worry about the money. Exactly what is a million dollars a year worth if they fire your *** in a week if they don't like your kind?
$20,000. But you see what I mean in general terms.
We don't like your kind =
a. We don't know how to deal with Aspies
b. and it takes too long to learn
c. or we are too old to learn
d. or it is too hard to learn
e. or we are too lazy
f. or you are supposed to accommodate to us bucko
B"H
Ladies and Gentlemen:
Oh please! Truly, you flatter us.
I have but one thing to really say. I believe that we are all very unique, and should be.
I think that you are correct, though you may have more than one thing to say, since that which you write is based on the predication that your own condition falls in the range of normalcy.
Your talents are truly extraordinary if you are able to find all the prime numbers in licence plates at car parks and address labels. Really, I'm not making fun.
Someone I know has been multiplying two and three digit numbers in his head, placing my own business skills in the the glare of my own critical analysis.
However, if we had no basis for comparison between ourselves and others, even if that comparison involves some labels by which to measure our achievements and progress, then we should find ourselves in a quagmire of self-doubt and a sea of uncertainty.
By the same logic if we chain ourselves to conventional terms, by which others form definitions for comparison, we should find ourselves lacking any motivation to break new bounds.
As for the numbers: practice make perfect. I agree. Why stop now.
And, who cares about about their silly IQ test.
I appreciate your kind words. My original thought still stands, however. Yes, there are comparisons with others. However, they should not be *PRIMARY* in our own minds. Our primary concern is that we fulfill our own life mission. The license plate business is fun, but it is not my life's mission.
No wiser words could have been stated. However, finding that life mission is somewhat harder for some of us than others. Perhaps self-actualisation is then inhibited by worry about labels.
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