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Interesting points, and ones that I can totally agree with.
Worthiness of life is very often merely a matter of peculiarities of local social fashion.

M Wrote:
So interesting that while prenatal testing used for gender identification of a fetus which could result in an abortion if the fetus was female is practiced, although outlawed in India and some other countries.  Western cultures condemn this practice as misogynistic.  Ironically, those same western cultures approve of abortion in the cases of a child with a genetic disease or disorder or merely for the convenience of a women.  The convenience abortion is applauded as a "feminist right."

Yes, and there is no consideration of the right of the fetus to live and be born. I also think it's wrong that any of my taxes should go towards paying for women to have abortions simply because of convenience (Medicare in Australia pays for elective abortion under particular items).

At the same time, people who cannot afford private health insurance have to wait ages for other types of operations.

The kind of feminist "right" I would really like to see is the one where, instead of women being expected to "do it all" (ie. full time job, kids, and look after home), they have the choice to work or stay at home.

Quite a few abortions are because of "economic reasons" - a society that places such importance on materialism ahead of human life has already condemned itself.

Well unless if the disability were something fatal or anything like that, I wouldn't abort my baby just for that reason.
I agree with all of your points Amy, especially the part in which you stated that these people are so overly misinformed. Often times in my presentations about AS and ASD's (as well as various projects that I have done about it in the past) I find that there are always people who are either surprised or shocked when they learn what it REALLY means to have AS or ASD's.

Most of the time, and especially in the United States, unless they are a professional or a special educator most of the information they get about Autism comes directly from popular media sources.
Many times I and a few of my colleagues have had to tell these people that the popular media or popular science sources are not the best scientific sources because they will always portray a biased view, and that the information that they put out is usually incomplete, needs verification, or is otherwise skewing statistics. There are other problems with it, but they are not relevant to this discussion.

Pakrat Wrote:
The convenience abortion is applauded as a "feminist right."


Well, its not really always about convenience, sometimes the mother may be too young (either as a result of rape or stupidity), or they may just not be ready for a baby. Even the best birth control methods and devices are not entirely fool proof. Although there are some people who do it out of convenience, it does not necessarily mean that all abortion of otherwise healthy fetuses are done out of such reasons.

Ziyaret Wrote:
Oh yeah, just How do you propose to care for all the unwanted children that would result from a complete outlawing of abortion? You realize that in fact there would be more of them then people willing to adopt them. We are no longer talking about selective eugenic abortion here-but abortion period(!).


If it's right to do for "economic" reasons, it's right to do for "eugenic" reasons.

Ziyaret Wrote:
NOT true DogBrain. Thats a faulty inference on your part.


Mere "economic" or "inconvenience" reasons are far less rationally justifiable than would be a "medical" or even pseudo-medical argument.  The problem is that you are wedded to an irrational double-think that insists that abortion on demand is an absolute good EXCEPT for when that abortion on demand might impinge upon your own little favorite special interest group.

If it's acceptable for trivialities like personal inconvenience, then it's acceptable for "eugenic" reasons.  If it's unacceptable for "eugenic" reasons, it's unacceptable for personal inconvenience, too.

Or, one could insist upon indulging in doublethink on the issue.

Besides DogBrain, you may consider it doublethink but quite honestly it is NOT irrational. So why no response to the PM I sent you? I guess you really dont know *** about basic embryology after all. You're just regurgitating anti-abortion propaganda from the radical right.

Ziyaret Wrote:
Besides DogBrain, you may consider it doublethink but quite honestly it is NOT irrational.


It is completely irrational on your part.  You say that abortion is acceptable when it's merely a matter of inconvenience but not acceptable when it's a matter of autism spectrum.  Irrational to the core.  Of course, the vehemence with which you deny your irrationality only confirms same.

You are a practitioner and victim of hardcore double-think.  If you find abortion for mere inconvenience acceptable, there is no rational nor logical way to simultaneously oppose eugenic abortion.

So ANSWER THE QUESTION: How do you propose society handle the consequences of outlawing abortion completely???
You assume that the supply will meet the demand and not grossly exceed it. If there are more babies available for adoption than families to adopt them; then there will clearly be a need to establish orphanages to care for all these unwanted children. Where will the $ come from to run these facilities and provide for all these kids??
Most likely, because abortion(yes-on demand)will remain legal.
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