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this is not a joke, it's for real!!

OHSU experimenter Charles Roselli drugs fetal sheep in order to alter sex hormones in their brains, and he cuts open the brains of rams he calls “male-oriented” (homosexual) in an attempt to find the hormonal mechanisms behind homosexual tendencies so that they can subsequently be changed. Roselli’s cohort, OSU’s Frederick Stormshak, has surgically installed an estrogen device in the bodies of “gay sheep” in an effort to make their sexual preferences heterosexual. The test results carry the insidious implication that homosexuality in humans can be “cured”; the experimenters have stated that they plan to extrapolate the test results to humans.
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If you are as outraged as I am with these cruel and *** enethical experiments, please sign below petition:
STOP THIS!!
A friend of mine (A Ms. Willie Hewes) wrote a webcomic about 'curing gays'. basiucally it was an outright attack on reparation camps. The article can be found by going to Free Z. I'm not sure what the status of the camp is now  though.

The link is http://WWW.Williehewes.TK
I had to read it twice and still i cannot believe it.
This is really outrageous.

I shall sign the petion. poor sheep Sad

Why are they searching for a 'cure' anyway ?

edit:typo
You think so Ryuujin?

If you think it would be entirely voluntary then I think you may not have known that places like this exist....


http://66.197.210.102/~witchcra/freez/freezindex.html
Someone aske dme once if i'd like to be more 'normal' and I asked 'considering what 'normal' means in the Uk, dear god,,, Why?
True, usually people want to be normal because they're told that is the desirable way to be. But people are always being told it's desirable to be something else, skinny, religious, eat organic, be fit, wear designer labels, etc.

If Autism was no longer classified as a condition, but was classified as just another way of being (like Homosexuality), would you still be against research into a cure? - I know I wouldn't, the only reason I oppose a cure for Autism is that right now we're treated as freaks, less than human, and a disease. A cure at this stage would represent an attempt to eradicate "a diseased population".

However, if we were granted the recognition and rights we want - put us onto a par with homosexuals for rights. Then a cure simply becomes an option for those who are struggling with this way of living and want out. A cure for homosexuality in this effect becomes the same - a way to "opt out" if you can't handle the life you were handed.
:evil: my answer to them bastards was:

I find your methods and ideas disturbing and dangerous. You seem to have no respect for life nor the diversity in which life exists. If some rams have homosexual tendencies - then it only shows to us that there is nothing wrong with homosexuality. So why are you trying to alter and destroy something which is given by nature the very right to exist? If you wish to do something useful, tell the world how natural homosexuality really is!! And leave the animals alone. They have the right to live and enjoy life just as they are.

and that pretty much sums up my view on the subject *breathes again*
*takes out a rifle and several rounds* There is no way that these crazy scientists should be allowed to kill sheep just because they hate gay people!
Aargh! Animal cruelty! Bad scientists!

The only reason anyone wants to "cure" homosexuality is because social stigma says that it is abnormal, whereas it may just be one of nature's responses to an overpopulated world.

Estimates at the number of ENTIRELY heterosexual people in the world currently run at somewhere between 15 and 30 percent, last I heard.

(That's people who've never had a homosexual fantasy)
- off topic -
PeTA are not morons. I'm very sad to read so much hatred towards animal rights activists. Do you know all of the people who work there? I know so many kind people in the animal rights scene! They were always very friendly to me, understanding and non-judgmental. Many have social quirks or are shy like me, they always accepted me like that. Also, I know at least one dxd aspie in an animal rights org here (not PeTA), he fights against animal testing.

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I didn't eat meat or eggs, and I hardly had any dairy products, for two months or so, and about a week before school started, I had these AWFUL HORRIBLE STOMACH CRAMPS FROM LACK OF PROTEIN OR SOMETHING. PETA sucks.

I'm sorry to hear about the cramps, but what did you eat? Did you eat soy, did you eat nuts, grain, green vegetables? Did you study what foods contain what minerals and vitamins? Did you study your body and did you study what you individually might need more or less (since this can vary a lot too)? Maybe you were allergic to something specific you might have changed in your diet? Maybe the cramps were a reaction to stress, or due to the sudden change (ie sometimes the body needs to adjust to a new diet first). Also, most vegetarians do eat eggs and milk, especially when they start being vegetarian.

If it does bother you how badly animals are treated and you do not wish to stop eating meat - try organic meat. Better for you, better for the environment, better for the people who run these small businesses, and better for the animals. Same counts for eggs, milk etc. Buy organic and free range. Also see http://www.meatrix.com

Last but not least - you do not stop eating meat, eggs, dairy "because PeTA says so". I was a vegetarian long before I knew PeTA even existed. Also 20-30% of India is vegetarian (primarily lacto-vegetarian, ie they use milk, but no eggs) and that is not because of PeTA.

- back on topic -
Here is a great initiative on defending homosexuality, this is exactly what I thought of when I read rams are often homosexual, I'm happy someone had the same idea and made something out of it:

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Gay animals out of the closet?
First-ever museum display shows 51 species exhibiting homosexuality

By Sara Goudarzi
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15750604/

From male killer whales that ride the dorsal fin of another male to female bonobos that rub their genitals together, the animal kingdom tolerates all kinds of lifestyles.

A first-ever museum display, "Against Nature?,"  which opened last month at the University of Oslo's Natural History Museum in Norway, presents 51 species of animals exhibiting homosexuality.

"Homosexuality has been observed in more than 1,500 species, and the phenomenon has been well described for 500 of them," said Petter Bockman, project coordinator of the exhibition.

The idea, however, is rarely discussed in the scientific community and is often dismissed as unnatural because it doesn't appear to benefit the larger cause of species continuation.

"I think to some extent people don't think it's important because we went through all this time period in sociobiology where everything had to be tied to reproduction and reproductive success," said Linda Wolfe, who heads the Department of Anthropology at East Carolina University. "If it doesn't have [something to do] with reproduction it's not important."

For pleasure
However, species continuation may not always be the ultimate goal, as many animals, including humans, engage in sexual activities more than is necessary for reproduction.  

"You can make up all kinds of stories: Oh it's for dominance, it's for this, it's for that, but when it comes down to the bottom I think it's just for sexual pleasure," Wolfe told LiveScience.

Conversely, some argue that homosexual sex could have a bigger natural cause than just pure pleasure: namely evolutionary benefits.

Copulation could be used for alliance and protection among animals of the same sex. In situations when a species is mostly bisexual, homosexual relationships allow an animal to join a pack.

"In bonobos for instance, strict heterosexual individuals would not be able to make friends in the flock and thus never be able to breed," Bockman told LiveScience. "In some bird species that bond for life, homosexual pairs raise young. If they are females, a male may fertilize their eggs. If they are males, a solitary female may mate with them and deposit her eggs in their nest."

Mom and Dad and Dad
Almost a quarter of black swan families are parented by homosexual couples. Male couples sometimes mate with a female just to have a baby. Once she lays the egg, they chase her away, hatch the egg, and raise a family on their own.

"Homosexuality" and "heterosexuality" are terms defined by societal boundaries, invisible in the animal kingdom.

"Many species are hermaphrodites," Bockman said. Hermaphrodites have both male and female sex organs. A lot of marine species have no sex life at all, but just squirt their eggs or semen into sea.

Some creatures even reproduce asexually, by dividing themselves into two organisms. In one species of gecko, females clone themselves.

Like most complex issues, animal homosexuality is challenging and poorly understood. Therefore, educators tend to shy away from covering it in their teaching. Many scientists don't even want to be associated with this type of research.

"I've had primatologists offer to give me their data on homosexual behavior because they didn't want to publish it," Wolfe said.

"Against Nature?" was set up partly to demystify the concept.  

The argument that a homosexual way of living cannot be accepted because it is against the "laws of nature" can now be rejected scientifically, said Geir Soli, project leader for the exhibition. "A main target for this project was to get museums involved in current debate; to show that museums are more than just a gallery for the past."

To learn more, see LiveScience's Top 10 presentation, Gay Animals: Alternate Lifestyles in the Wild


Also see:
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,205...02,00.html
http://www.wayodd.com/norwegian-museum-e...ls/v/5457/

Clearly you don't know about the animal rights activists that exhumed the corpse of a deceased elderly woman, whose relations own a guinea pig farm that supplies a research company.

Wouldn't trust em as far as I can throw em.

Ian
Also, they need to watch Gravitation. And Yami no Matuei. Two good animes involving gay couples.
Peta is not to be trusted because they kill animals despite what they campaign for, not because they encourage people to be vegetarians. My mom is a vegetarian herself, not because PETA encouraged her.
That thing about the old womans body was all over the news, still go on about it now if i remember rightly.

If thats activism i'm staying well away.

Ian
That would be the radical fringe of animal activists; the same kind of people who would be prepared to blow up labs conducting animal experiments.
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