Aspies For Freedom

Let us discuss the laws and social norms of an autistic community. At the moment we all live in different countries with their own sets of laws, norms and punishments.
I believe that either way it goes, the greatest change for many of us (if we were to move to an autistic nation) would be the change in what we can and cannot do.

There are some important issue to think about such as:

Death penalty. I live in a country where there is no such penalty for crime and I would not feel comfortable in a country where such a thing is enforced.

Right to carry weapons. I do not see any reason why anyone would need to carry a weapon that is not intended for sport.

Drug & Alcohol use/abuse. In the privacy of one's own home I feel they should make their own choices, but I'd rather not have to deal with people tripping out at the supermarket for example.

Racism. I don't see a reason for racism, but I would want something to be done to at least prevent it.

Freedom of speach / Censorship. On the one hand I believe that people should have some way of expression their true thoughts and opinions, however I understand that some form of moderation could be useful. Most countries and their media seem to favour extreme censorship yet claim otherwise...

Murder. I do not see the need for taking another person's life if it is not for your own survival. I understand such an issue could be quite tricky to deal with were it to take place.

Prison. I rather not cage people up, treat them like animals, and then release them back into society just as bad as they were before.

Age of consent. To be honest I find the concept of this to be quite flawed. I have read reports of parents taking a boy (18) to court for being intimate with his girlfriend (17), as an example. In certain parts of the world a person of 12 years old is able to get married, while in other parts they're expected to be in their twenties.
I believe that as long as both parties are consenting that it does not concern anyone else.
There is of course the issue of whether someone is able to properly understand the situation and make their own decisions, a child or someone suffering from a form of mental retardation may have trouble with this.
Perhaps a good idea might be the use of a test which an individual is required to pass before they are legally considered an adult.

Consent. I have a strong dislike for people that force their own personal agenda upon others without prior and continued consent from that person.

Theft. I believe it goes without saying that many of us here would not be happy to find that somebody stole our precious things. I know that I would be very angry if somebody took my coffee mug.

Stalking. This is another tricky one because I can imagine that quite a few people may get obsessive from time to time. I believe that the privacy of the 'victim' should be protected, though I also believe that a moderated confrontation between both parties should take place to help defuse the situation.

Education. This one will be quite important... Everyone deserves a good education, but the question is at which point should it no longer be required?



That should be enough to get the ball rolling for now at least. I honestly don't have a problem with most deviancies just as long as they do not directly or knowingly indirectly harm others.

I'm sure everyone has different views, which is why it would be important to get an idea of some rules that everyone can live with.

Death penalty- I strongly agree with you.

Right to carry weapons- Someone might have an interest in anitques, and collect weapons for that purpose.

Freedom of speach / censorship- Censorship is an awful thing, we should have a press that is as free as possible.

Prison- There are no alternatives. We could, however, focus more on treating the problems of the prisoners, rather than just locking them up.

Age of consent- I mostly agree, but there could be problems with unwanted pregancecy.

Education- Early education, such as grade school, should be less generalized, and more advanced.

I'm sorry but that's really scary.  Do you realize at all how many members of the autistic community have to go thru this sort of thing on a daily basis in order to get services or have certain rights?!  Read the accounts of anyone who has been institutionalized and you will know what I mean.  
And you would do this to them from inside an autistic community?!  
I imagine this is not the way you were thinking of it, but you have got to admit that some applications of this will make a lot of auties marginalized just the same as they are in the predominantly NT society.

It could be a moot point as I doubt any such society would ever be formed.

No Death Penalty. Ever.

What about people who can't be rehabilitated? Should they be locked up for the rest of their natural lives? Seems to me this would be the only alternative to the death penalty in such cases.

Although, I've heard that those exams (in Pennsylvania, anyway) are actually crap.  The questions are poorly phrased, often have nothing to do with driving, and don't cover certain, important things.  So maybe it's a bad example.

That sounds good to me.  Now, as far as "adult privilages" go, what exactly are we talking about?  Drinking, driving (not at the same time, lol), age of consent, voting rights, ect?  And what age do you think it's most apropriate these privilages be given?  I would say 16.

Glad to see others here share my viewpoint!

Tenacious, most people can be rehabilitated, if it's done correctly, though it might take a long time for some of them.  Now, if you're talking sociopathy or something uncurable like that, I think we have to think about it a little more.  Certainly I would not advocate locking them away forever, but I don't think the Death Penalty should ever be instated, and certainly not due to nuerodivergance as in the case of the sociopath.  That would make us no better than the NT curebies who want to kill autistics for being autistic.
Maybe round the clock surveilance?  I hate to suggest that.

(sociopath is the right word isn't it?)

But some people are too dangerous to ever let back out into the community again. Think people like Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Dahmer, for example.

Alright, if people think we should have life inprisonment, maybe we should.
But certainly the quality of that life needs to be better than it is in most current situations.

Yes, make sure the walls of the cells are painted bright pink as that is supposed to be a calming colour. Failing that, at least have something more cheerful than the dreaded prison grey.

I don't like the though of that an autistic person is having a gun around me, even though I am myself autistic. And if the army is eliminated rules will change, but hopefully that will never happen and I doubt it will.

And by the way, I think autistic people can be productive and happy even if they are locked up.

I don't like the idea of people carrying around guns whether or not they are autistic.  What about tazers?  Something non-lethal would make me feel better.  Also, there'd have to be stringent laws protecting people from potential abuse by those wielding whatever weapon would be allowed.

Unpopular, sure does.

Can't see any arguments in your statement.

I think some offences such as torture and murder for fun merit the death penalty for there is little chance that the offenders will ever be rehabilitated and they will always be a menace to society even in prison.