Aspies For Freedom

ocam' razer, as relevent to autism

[a] unnecessary details must not to be allowed to proliferate.

supositions: most dx are spurious

[b] the simpilest solution is likely to be the correct solution.

suposition: they/you are missing something, and its a big something.


gordian knot

[a] an unresolvable dielema

suposition: the knot is the totality of so called mental illness.

the forces involved are not insignificent. should i develope this notion further? please respond.

Your "suposition" (sic) does not follow from the principle.  The "unnecessary details" of Occam's razor refer to extensive details of any explanations that make no difference to the explanatory power of a hypothesis.  This would mean nothing at all about the accuracy of any diagnosis.

No, not at all.  This is a gross misinterpretation of Occam's razor--unfortunately, it's the one promulgated by people who profit mightily from misunderstandings of science and the scientific method.  Occam's razor states that, if there are two or more competing hypotheses that explain a phenomenon with equal accuracy, prefer the hypothesis that introduces the fewest assumptions and requires the fewest entities to remain valid.  This is a use of "simplicity" that is not the same as its vernacular use.  Occam "simplest" is not the same thing as common meaning "simplest".

The importance of the Gordian Knot tale is to illustrate what a man of action Alexander was.  He simply refused to "solve" the problem at all.  Instead, he took out his sword and cut it apart, showing that "direct action" was the way to really get things done, not any of that "thinking" stuff.

And the solution in a Gordian sense would be to simply eliminate the "mentally ill".

thank you for your attempt to enlighten me. am afraid i will need additional tutoring.

ok, what is your hypothesis? all psych dx are merely discriptive. how does colouring inside the lines help, if no one has bothered to connect the dots to figure out where the the lines should go in the first place?

on top of that, different people connect the dots differently, depending on kind of picture they want others to see.

well, i am prone to gross misinterpretations. still, accuracy can only be verified by experiment. am i right? my hypothesis is test able as of now.
how is yours to be validated?

re: knot. i am trying to use autimetrics to get around my particular form of retardation. to me, this tale sugests that this swashbuckleing can actually work. granted, sawing throug the knot with a razor is tedius. but their making better razors these days.

elimination? no. i was thinking of a more final solution. crazy is constantly being generated by the dynamics of our culture. remove the causative factors instead.

More tolerance towards diversity?

I never stated a hypothesis.  Indeed, I was not aware that you had stated a hypothesis, either.  Instead, you made a "supposition", and one does not test suppositions.  One pre-supposes them as true and puts them into the realm of untestable statements.  Okay, let's pretend your supposition is a hypothesis.  You claim it is testable, so what is the experiment to test it.  Note that I say "experiment".  An experiment is NOT the same thing as theoretical maundering about "Occam's Razor".  Likewise, your hypothesis (presuming that your supposition that the majority of diagnoses are spurious is your hypothesis) does not even fit the Occamic model.  Simply ruling, by fiat that the majority of diagnoses are spurious makes matters more complicated, not more simple.  Now you have a whole host of complications to address.  What makes these diagnoses spurious?  How were they arrived at?  What are the flaws in the current methods that leads to such a massive set of spurious diagnoses?

Final solution?  We all know what the "Final Solution" could be, and the curebies are working on that right now.

increased tolerence is not the answer. as resources dwindle, you will become more and more of a burden. at some point in their increaseing dislike of you , they will have had enough. they will revert to savagry. You will, eventually, be annihilated. the only question is when.

but be of good cheer. they will never get all of you. more of you will just keep appearing.

how ever, assuming that one may wish to avert, mitigate, or simply attempt to survive their subjective version of this event, this may be where to start.

if one were able to respond, that is.

assuming one could even see the logic of this enough to even wish to even try. or to think that one might have a chance.

bet your EXPERTS never bothered to tell you any of this stuff, huh?

senario: as above
context: war game
time : now
location : near
resources : uncertain
status : alone
premise: survivial is possible
assumption: spectromites are too *** to do so

proposed experimental design for surviving the imminent Holocaust

OPERATION:  DEEP  AUT -------------Battle Plan

[a] nutrition:

1- zero [0] carbohydrate / caffine [for the sake of arguement]
2- eat every two [2] wakeing hours
3- total intake averaged into each meal
4- water-?

[b] energy expenditure:

1- no standing unless actualy changing location
2- minimum eight [8] hours sleep per day / drug or allie abetted, or enforced, if necesary
3- no sitting, if activity can be reconfigured to allow lying down

[c] enviroment:

1- as small as reasonably possible
2- seventy two [72] degrees F / precisely
3-no drafts / no bright lights
4- sun glasses / suitable hat / no, i don't mean just while outside
5- if sitting is unavoidable, a correct posture will be maintained by correctly designed and proportioned chair

[d] suportive:

1- plant allies will be present / their gifts will be accepted, if, and only if, needed
2- friends will be available to listen , to subject's satisfaction [optional]
3- subject will attend to their own care, and nutrition, to the ever increasing limits of their abilities
4- plants will be present, and will beguin to contribute to nutrition
5- subject will have, and pursue, a research project
5- subject will develope, and continue to refine, a faith, and a spirituality
6- subject will meditate daily upon the Wiccan Rede, and the lyrics of Luba's prayer " Let It Go "
7- subject will select, explain, and have available their version of inspirational music
8- head phones will be available, to allow volume of musical meditations to be modified as needed
9- subject will refrain from unnecessary talk for the sake of talking
10- subject will practice an extreme, pre emptive, politeness
11- multyvitamine/mineral supliment daily / additional vitamine c as available and required [see D 1/D 4 ]. supliment MUST NOT contain Folic acid or PABA
12- subject will perseverat upon exploring the reasons for their mental retardation, lack of communication skills, and over reliance upon 'experts'

that should do, for starters
will try to explain later

" attention to all things
lest we neglect something
that is attached to something
that is attached to the soul "...........W Penfield

"you have all seen it before. you take a boy off the farm, and put him in front of something that ain't working, and the next time you look, he's takeing it apart and trying to fix it"............C F Keattering

except you havent seen it before, have you?

What is this for?

re: tenaciouscj "what is this for ?"

sorry. i edited the post above to try to make myself clear. it's a project i am working on. i just need someone to play with.

thank you
peekaboo

if all else fails, hydrogen sulphide at 80 ppm. see 'science agogo'.

UNTESTED. BE CARE FULL.

I think many people believe that outside of the ananlytical-type areas of creativity HFA/Asperger's type are at a bit of a loss. I have always loved poetry and creative writing and hope one day to write a novel or film script. If only I had won the lotteries and had free time to do it! The other thing ismy own lack of confidence or belief in my abilities (I do it when I do it)for my own pleasure.
Going out on a bit of a limb so to speak. Tell me what you think of these two rossco pieces:

Ode To Love

You speak of love as an eternal truth
I say it is a fallacy - a frolic of youth.
A beauty, a high, alike flying free
A passion and desire - the only way to be.
Two souls intertwine and joined evermore.
This rhetoric is cliched and really a bore.
love is a sleight of hand...or should I say heart,
A con and a ruse, you are fooled from the start
A soul destoying experience is what its about.
Your favourite doesn't come in and your heart is ripped out.



Start of another day

How beautiful the dawn, it's beauty and tranquillity
It's five o'clock in the morning. There will be no sleep for me.
So with my cigarette, I sit silent on the porch.
I watch the splendour of the break of day, by the sun's eternal torch.
Quiet time, this time. No one is here but me.
Moonlight, fog, cigarette smoke and the lapping of the sea.
Shortly I'll join the noisy cars and busy people. Though it's a shame.
But I like this quiet time, so I'll soon see the dawn again.
So now I see the moonlight weaken and the silent battle won.
The day has broken, and now begins, in the glow of a gentle sun.


Hope you like anyhow if not its OK its the last posting I'll make of my poetry.

These are good poems  :smile:

Thanks mate! Really scary posting them. Really glad you like them!