Aspies For Freedom

wow this is so awesome! :lol:

I've always believed that mental telepathy should supplant spoken language; I know from my own personal experience that it's a genuine phenomenon, and it's an ability that anyone can develop.

It would be a universal form of communication transcending all language barriers, as well as enabling FTL communication with each other over unlimited distances.

It would be a superior form of communication all around; plus the NT's wouldn't even know that we were doing it, so there would be no unwelcome attention from them whenever we implemented it to 'talk' to one another. (Eventually there might come a time when they would 'hear' speech from us, but without our lips moving; that would most certainly strike them as odd. But by then we would probably be dominant anyway.)

It could also double as a defense against NT's, making it possible to exert mind control over them; they would be unable to distinguish their own thoughts from thoughts that had been telepathically implanted in their minds by others, thus influencing their behavior. (An additional tactic could involve the telepathic implantation of frightening hallucinations in their minds in order to drive them into retreat).

As far as a written language was concerned: I think we should go a step higher than phonetic writing, and attempt to devise a system of writing that had its basis purely in mathematics; again, it would be universal, since it would have absolutely no basis in spoken language.

To be sure: not all Aspergians are math whizzes; which is why it would be incumbent upon those among us who are to try and 'dumb down' the same mathematics used to describe physics (classical and quantum) to a sufficient degree as to make it accessible to even the most average individual; in a modified form intended for purposes of everyday reading and writing (it's a possibility that should at least be explored, I think).

I know this sounds like a lot of science fiction; but I believe that we should reach just as high as possible, and attempt to transcend NT civilization in as many ways as possible.

Mutstra

Maybe; but it sure beats the hell out of sitting around making up a whole lot of silly words (which I certainly don't have the time of day for).

Mutstra

Btw, people, I'm just throwing out ideas here; that's all: just throwing out ideas.

I may get flamed for saying this: but I believe that if we can't come up with something superior to what the NT's have right now: then that practically removes any justification for a separate Aspie civization, and we may as well just go on with our struggle for acceptance within NT society.

Without the element of 'shock and awe,' how could we possibly hope to compete with them?

Call me a latter day Criswell: but I want to see us flitting about the solar system and beyond in flying saucers (or something on that order) while the NT is still struggling to get back to the moon with liquid fueled rockets.

As for the linguistic situation: I think we can do far better than just another spoken language written in just another phonetic alphabet, and that's all that I'm trying to say here.

I know that the intentions of the Autlang people are sincere; but I believe that this isn't really the right course to take.

As an Aspergian: I believe I have as much right as anyone here to voice an opinion about this particular matter.

Mutstra

We wouldn't — if we lived with them.

As for Aspies who sound interested in breaking with the NT and starting something separate: If we did, we should be thinking about making this new society (wherever we put it; that's another frequent topic of discussion) more than just a cheap knock-off of NT society.

Otherwise, why bother? (May as well just speak Klingon to each other, and spend the rest of our days sitting around playing Final Fantasy, for what it would be worth.)

When I first got back here (I'd been away from this site for over a year), that was my reaction as well; I thought: WTF?

So I think you misunderstood me.

But I must admit, though, that the idea is actually starting to grow on me; especially the more I talk to you.

From your wording of that sentence: I presume you're NT (that's what I've been debating for the last two days?!); a perception that is further reinforced by the fact that the diagnosis field in your profile is blank.

I've done more reading about the issue since returning, and it seems to be less about just splitting away for it's own sake, and more about simply being away from your sort period (thanks for reminding me of why I'd like to do that).

I've gone from lofty visions of self-luminescent beings travelling the universe in glowing orbs, while your breed continues to slog on through life back on Earth (not that it couldn't happen someday) to a picture of us living in small, networked communities across the planet; that seems down to Earth and doable.

Plus, if Autlang was a language simple enough to be accessible to less verbal autists (I"ll admit that I've been leaving them out in my mind, and thinking primarily about AS and HFA people): that would be a reasonable raison d'être for that as well.

Plus, it would nice to be able to code your sort out.

Good afternoon,

Mutstra

P.S. :

So you make no denials about this.

Yeah, being away from you so you can only do that from a distance where we wouldn't have to listen to it definitely appeals to me now.

So I was making some more islands  on my computer just out of boredom.  I decided to name them in autlang. But I found that Autlang had no words for what I want to call them. So I came up with these:

Examples:

Ila Ke Honz = Seven Houses Island
Ment Piat = Mount Pain
Ment Dat = Mount Death
Ment Ru = Mount Rage
Ment Dedat = Mount Submission
Ment Afe = Mount Pride
Ment Efa = Mount Shame
Vent Jakate = Mount Massive
Vent Dit  = Mount Pit
Ila San Meitaz = Singing Hills Island
Ilif Lon = Lonely Atoll
Ilif Garn = Guarding Atoll
Bor Lifaz = Low Plains
Pikeat Pat = Cradle Pass
Huli Penta = Home Peninsula

I didn't notice.  It is just afe backwards. I don't really like either words to be honest.

Now that you bring it to my attention I don't really like this e business. As a prefix it is inconsistent with the rest of the modifiers which are postfix.

On the topic of negatives I noticed there is no words for yes and no yet.

Know what, I think it should be spelled pikeet.  pronounce it as you would pronounce  pik, but with an eat at the end.

As far as that issue is concerned: it's occurred to me that if Autlang caught on worldwide, it would enable Aspies/Autists from different countries that had different languages to speak to each other through the common language of Autlang; it wouldn't alienate spectrum people from general society so much as unite ASD people more firmly on a global scale, which by itself would possess a great deal of merit.

Mutstra

Alright I found new words for pride and shame. how is this?

I was skeptical at first too. But I decided what the hell.  I enjoy making up words. Whether it will ever work or not is irrelevant at the moment. The only way to find out is to try. but I don't care either way. This is basically entertainment for me.

And incidentally, Autlang does have tenses.

I think applying the k.i.s.s. principle is the best idea but I also believe there isn't much of a need for an autlang.

Keep it simple silly (NB: I am not meaning to call you "silly" - that's what's in the saying)

What, like a computer language or something?

Another debate on principles:

At the moment it appears to me that autlang is primarily constructed in a way that it will be usefull for people who have no alternatives in other languages to express themselves or severe problems in using or learning their native language.

My main problem with communication is to get the 'stuff' in my head into the form of words and sentences. To do that I need mostly complex expressions and a wide range of accurately defined words in order to fit those to my thoughts.
Acquiring the necessary vocabulary to do that sufficiently is a process that takes decades and which will never finish.
I still experience struggle with this in my native laguage German and it often gets annoying and time-consuming in the English language. Besides, the German language naturally offers more accuracy in words as well as formulation.
This is my very own experience with using any language, but I guessed you might have simmilar issues.


As autlang is supposed to be a language for all autistics, will it also be used and learned by those who do not need it, have problems with it or are confined by using it?

Will it just be easy to learn, but also easy to speak?



In order to get the limiting and bluring properties out of a newly constructed language, it takes a huge mass of contributors and/or alot of time.

One of my idears was to set some rules and let a NNW run through all available translating dictionaries and let it generate the words. Programming this sounds a bit complicated and it will probably never give the desired result.

A lot of technical (computer) terms and acronyms are already the same in most languages and should not be changed. Many turkish people with immigration background who have problems with the native language in germany mix a lot of technical german terms with their native language. It works quite well to them and should be considered an option for technical terms within Autlang and English.


Speaking realistically, you won't get far by inventing the words yourself. Consider, the project is running since 4 years now and I may quote the first sentence on the autlang homepage:

It might have a better chance of success if you would change the guideline of the project.

Regards,

l0rd@COMPAQ