Aspies For Freedom

I haven't posted on here in forever, but I just want to say something.

When I've been on this forum, I've seen some people rip NT's, seemingly calling NT's bad people. Well, let me just tell you guys something. There ARE good NT people in this world. My best friends are NT. The people that I would give everything for, are NT. Almost everybody that I've gotten close to and have stayed close to me, are NT. And guess what? They've accepted me for who I am, including my Asperger's. So, before you call an NT a bad person, just know that, they can be accepting, and they can be great people and the best of friends.

Cheap tequila is never a good idea.

I am trying to develop a point of view as an effort to be a little more relaxed in how I
view and judge other people behaviour. It is not a key to success or problem-solving,
only a way to describe what happens; I try to use it as an analysis instrument to decode
social environments. Being an instrument it is not "really part of me", it is, in a way,
external to my mind, a tool that I keep in my metaphorical toolcase.

It is based on trading, on exchanging. Through the lens of trading the behaviour of
many people can be described, a mental model can be built. With a model one can try
to decide what distance to keep between self and another person; without forgetting
that it is just a model, the other person is not "made that way" and it is not always in
complete control of what (s)he does, (s)he may even be sorry sometimes. Personally,
I am sorry sometimes.

Now, is trading "good" or "bad"? For some people it is: some social trading rules are
used by some people to restrict the freedom of other people. But for some people
it is just "the way it is", the rule that one always finds in all the social environments.

Even in the family circle social trading can effectively describe things. This sounds
like a case in which trading is "bad", but I think that that is the way it is and it has
been in all the historical periods. It is particularly difficul to accept for me, but it is a
pain with which one has to live. (Developing this would be an entirely different thread.)

Is trading required? What if there is no trade? How would a social environment be
without trading rules? Paradise on earth is an utopia because (very or moderately)
evil people do exist. And have always been there. So becoming a global brotherhood
built upon freedom and mutual respect is impossible. There is the need to have a set
of rules that allows us to live out of deserts and far from open oceans, without
killing each other, even when we meet moderately evil people.

Social trading can be an attempt to establish a set of sustainable rules. Let's say that
a girl notices me. Even if I go around with a T-shirt with "I AM A GOOD PERSON"
written on it, she cannot know who I am. So she tries to develop a mental model of
who I am. And trading can be an instrument for her like it is for me.

Social trading can be a way of sharing good experiences. Example: if I can, I offer her
the  possibility to meet new people and she allows me to be near her, which can be
good for me. Splat! Exchange without damaging each other.

If someone can describe sustainable alternative rules, to use as tool to establish distance
between self and other, I am open to suggestions.

Violence and paranoid delusions often accompany drunken-ness, and if it's got some other neurotoxins in it, like a "bathtub tequila" might, it could be worse.

No, it makes people belligerent and prone to fighting words, like classifying the majority of humanity as inherently "evil".

Dogface wrote:

Not so  independently...  I read small chunks  from a number
of places  and then I do  not remember what I  have read and
what I have thought by myself.

Dogface wrote:

Heh,  sadly  it works.   For  example bullying:  friendship,
acquaintance and  females are limited  resources, so putting
someone 'out  of the market' makes them  more accessible for
the  remaining  players.  And  this despite  the  fact  that
friendship and market  in the same phrase sound  to me like a
contradiction in terms.

Dogface wrote:

I mean  "an impossible place",  in Italian one can  also say
"to  build  castles  in  the  air"  (rather  than  on  solid
ground) (my  dictionary suggests  me to  translate  "to build
castles in Spain", ... Spain?!?).

Dogface wrote:

I felt the same until  very recently: what the heck are they
exchanging?  The only answer  I can give is 'momentum', they
are exchanging the possibility  of keeping movement in their
life: to meet  new people, to access new places and  new
experiences.

Momentum   is   a    really   fluid   thing,   like   market
opportunities. And there  is also speculation: females often
do what looks like inflating "the Internet bubble".

Dogface wrote:

Yes, things you 'cannot say'.

Dogface wrote:

I find this especially true in females.  In some occasion in
which  we had  an  argument, they  ended  up with  something
equivalent  to "Yes,  my behaviour  was mean;  but I  am not
mean, because in truth it was your fault and now you have to
say that I am right or you are evil!" It's a madness.

Dogface wrote:

There is  an italian saying: "chi  ha dato, ha  dato; chi ha
avuto, ha avuto"; more or  less: the one who gave, gave; the
one who  took, took.  This is somewhat  a rule  of business,
too: cash credits as soon  as possible, pay debts as late as
possible.

I will most certainly NOT give NT's a break. I don't entitle myself to breaks, and I see no reason to grant them what I do not grant myself. I constantly force myself to keep improving, and I subject myself to the same criteria as NT's, Aspies and other neurodivergent groups. What they 'could possibly be under certain circumstances' doesn't mean a thing; under other circumstances they might be something completely different. What could've come to pass is irrelevant, only what actually occurred is relevant.

So if an NT is too lazy to improve him/herself they can go straight out the airlock for all I care.

Read my post again. Do I refer to abilities anywhere? Do speak of resources, acces to resources, a lack of resources?

I don't care about how stupid they are. I don't care how bigotted they are. I don't care wether someone is a nobel prize winner, Aspie, NT, in a wheelchair, winner of the tour de France, ***, president of the US, black, Christian, nazi or ANYTHING. I'm not referring to all NT's, just most of them, 90% or so.

Those who aren't trying to improve, those selfserving shortsighted and downright stupid individuals, deserve to go out of the airlock. And shortsighted selfservice appears to be the dominant attitude amongst NT's.

"I don't have to evaluate everything I do" "I don't have to change who I am" "I don't owe you anyting" "Respect your elders" "Thou shalt" "You shouldnt do that"

Those attitudes so obvious in many NT's, those attitudes that destroy half of everything we build. These people accompany each of our steps forward with an equal step backward. It sickens me. They anger me in ways I cannot begin to describe. I will not give NT's a break. They're calling down the biggest thunder in the history of earth, and I'll be laughing my head off when the time comes for them to reap the whirlwind.

ppl in here are fanatics.
that is why i do not visit this place anymore.
most of you guys/girls really need help.
and not for your autism.

Why?

Edit: let me specify my question; what part or aspect of my post leads you to define it as 'somewhat immature' to you and perhaps others sharing your point of view? Why does it seem immature?

You are not doing anything to change the world.  You are making sweeping generalisations and bitching and moaning.  

The fact is, nobody is going to educate themselves.  If you prefer to sit on your *** and whine, that's your problem.  Meanwhile, us grownups have to work on getting the truth out there.  

And by telling people to jump out the airlock you're doing nothing but alienating them.  I'm sure with one post you've convinced dozens of people that AS really is something to be rid of.

Thanks, noc.  The ninety percent comment was also pretty stupid, and the comments about laziness.  

The fact is, we can't expect people to magically get better.  It takes work to improve society, and if someone wants to mark everyone they meet as unimprovable, than nothing will ever get done.

You don't see what I'm actually saying: I don't care about curebies and I don't care about people wanting to be themselves, to me both are extremes and both are stupid.

You say it takes work to improve society, but that just happens to be exactly what I said as well. Do we even disagree at all, or is it just that you're offended by how I formulate my opinion?

That'd pretty much confirm what I said.

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Neutron, you misspelled "signed" as "singed" in your signature.

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