07-23-2006, 07:26 PM
07-23-2006, 11:49 PM
oh i remember this!
07-23-2006, 11:52 PM
Sounds like they're done by people who have lost all hope of doing anything outside of their dead end jobs. If anyone would care to quote Moral Orel here, it would be much appreciated.
07-24-2006, 12:10 AM
i remember who it's by but we are supposed to guess and it wouldn't be a guess?
07-24-2006, 02:53 PM
I suppose it's excusable if I take my life advice from someone that has had a more realistic life than being the richest man on earth. I have to say I would lose my grip of reality very quickly if I had that kind of money. Not to mention the obvious fact that Bill Gates has never had a boss, never flipped burgers, and has either always had a fair life or broken laws in order to make it more fair for him.
Postscript-I'm sure we can all point to several Microsoft mistakes that show that he has also gotten numerous second chances.
Postscript-I'm sure we can all point to several Microsoft mistakes that show that he has also gotten numerous second chances.
07-24-2006, 03:00 PM
Gareth Wrote:
So you think it's unrealistic to say that you won't make $40,000 per year straight out of high school, that refusing to flip burgers due to counterproductive pride (resulting in being unemployed instead) is stupid and in the real world you don't get as much time off as in school?
I don't know considering that I have not gone through any of those things. However, I'm going to wait to hear them from someone who has actually dealt with going through the ups and downs of life instead of becoming immensely wealthy and being able to take as much time off as he wants. Bill Gates uses 40,000 dollars to wipe his *** every day. I'm sure he has individual things in his house worth 15-20 times that. So I'll take his advice with a grain of salt until I hear it from someone more hardened to life.
07-24-2006, 03:28 PM
I think BG worked very hard to get where he is (and also cheated very cleverly) and also I think he is a business savant.
Most of us (not me, I am not that diligent) will work very hard their whole lives and never get to a millionth of what he has achieved, just because we are not as clever/genius as him.
That being said, working hard is still a good thing to do, because trying to do something useful is part of our duty as humans.
I work hard, sometimes... As much as necessary, not much more. I would like to say I had given 100% to things, but I think I haven't. I usually feel like I am only about 75% there, if that.
Of course this could be end-of-semester pessimism...
Most of us (not me, I am not that diligent) will work very hard their whole lives and never get to a millionth of what he has achieved, just because we are not as clever/genius as him.
That being said, working hard is still a good thing to do, because trying to do something useful is part of our duty as humans.
I work hard, sometimes... As much as necessary, not much more. I would like to say I had given 100% to things, but I think I haven't. I usually feel like I am only about 75% there, if that.
Of course this could be end-of-semester pessimism...
07-24-2006, 03:47 PM
Gareth Wrote:
And what do you propose become the new currency after you get rid of the need to make money? Or do you think that everyone regardless of how hard they work should get the same rewards?
I have already placed my manifesto on the <16 forum. That speaks for me.
07-25-2006, 11:28 AM
Such people do not have dignity - if they bothered to get up and do something rather than being total parasites then they would. Note that I am not against people who have a legit reason for not being able to work, just those who are too lazy.
As for Bill Gates - he's totally screwed up the IT industry in a big way and he's now giving pocket change to charity to get good PR, as famous people often do. The point?
As for Bill Gates - he's totally screwed up the IT industry in a big way and he's now giving pocket change to charity to get good PR, as famous people often do. The point?
07-25-2006, 04:16 PM
Dustpuppy Wrote:
Gareth Wrote:
Such people do not have dignity - if they bothered to get up and do something rather than being total parasites then they would. Note that I am not against people who have a legit reason for not being able to work, just those who are too lazy.
It's funny how the "parasites" who are so "lazy" that people get so wound up about are invariably people on the dole. What about the lazy parasites who, for example, live off inherited share dividends? And, by the way, who generally get rather more than £50 a week out of it.
Also, there is an assumption that people on the dole are doing nothing. Which is very often wrong. And so the question does need to be asked: why is it better for society for people to be (eg) flipping burgers than (eg) helping out at their local Oxfam, or bringing up their kids, or...
Gareth Wrote:
As for Bill Gates - he's totally screwed up the IT industry in a big way and he's now giving pocket change to charity to get good PR, as famous people often do. The point?
I wasn't talking to you there :razz:
You're living off inherited share dividends? Great, have fun
You're working for oxfam? If they're also giving you food and shelter etc than great, have fun, if they aren't and you're still claiming benefits than why not go and get your own situation sorted out first?
You're living off benefits without a legitimate reason and no intention of changing? Go get a job
07-25-2006, 07:02 PM
Someone who's rich isn't exactly a parasite are they?
07-26-2006, 09:49 AM
Vespers Wrote:
DW_a_mom Wrote:
Well, if you aren't wasting it [your money] and are using your free time in a positive way, OK. You were given a gift and it is yours to use. But too many of these kids are aimless and directionless and building something for themselves would have given them a stronger sense of self and purpose.
Because you saved and saved? Great. You've earned it. Enjoy.
Because you saved and saved? Great. You've earned it. Enjoy.
I'm not sure what the difference between a "waste" of money or free time and a "positive use" of either would be, except happiness/contentment, and you seem not to believe that's a sufficient criterion. Money is there to be used, and if being "aimless" makes you content--as long as you continue to do your duty to your family, your friends, etc--why is that a bad thing? Life itself has little direction, and though change frightens me and I tend to over-plan, I have had to come to realize that there is no way I can know where I'll be in a year.
If the money is being given to you by relatives willingly then be lazy for life if you want. Personally I would prefer to build upon such a handout rather than be totally useless but that's a personal preference.
07-26-2006, 10:49 AM
If your day job is merely a fundraiser for your true interest in life then that's great. In fact, this seems like a very good idea. However, if you want to just spend your life working on something which brings you no income and choose to live off the state instead when you're capable of going out and working then that's a problem.
07-26-2006, 11:35 AM
So?
Those people are willingly buying the products
Those people are willingly buying the products
07-27-2006, 09:43 AM
Someone living off a parental handout who is totally aimless is fine by me. Personally, i'd want to do something useful but this is a personal choice.