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I don't believe in the supernatural, which is not saying that I don't believe that we know and see things that, logically, we shouldn't know and see.  I think such things are perfectly natural, but we can't explain it so we claim that it is supernatural.  I figure we are some fairly pathetic 3D beings in an infinite universe with barely an inkling of what is going on.  And so.

earthmonkey Wrote:
This is something I have significant interest in (was one of my biggest perseverations for a number of years, right along with astronomy - not astrology BTW - and math and film).

I don't seem to have any psychic ability that would amount to anything more than coincidences, but I have experienced a few unusual things.

When I was completing my AP European History assignment a couple years ago, I was kind of bored and couldn't think of what I was going to write for this essay outline (I have a real difficulty with outlining essays; it usually hinders me). I was sitting at the computer screen, when I heard this sort of a 'POP' sound behind me. I looked behind me, and at the lamp, which was about five or six feet to the top of it. The lamp shade was slanted, swinging.

I looked around it immediately, looking to see if maybe a rat had got to it to make it swing, and I called my parents in from the other room (always good to have another set or two of eyes to check misinterpretation and the possibility of hallucinations explaining it). So they were in there, and as I was explaining what had happened, the lamp shade jumped up, high enough that it got above the light bulb.

Oh, yeah, and when I was eight, in my room which I shared with my two older sisters, there was this shadowy figure in the corner for two weeks that I kept trying to find out what would be causing that shadow. My family got very irritated when I insisted upon removing everything in the room to see what was causing it. It was STILL there. My sisters the whole time said that they saw it, but that it wasn't anything unusual, just a regular shadow. It was very frustrating, and the shadow for the first week I was very afraid, but when I started trying to communicate and wasn't afraid anymore of it, it went away.

This whole thread is rather strange, in that this morning I was thinking of starting one on this subject.

I am curious as to whether anyone else has had anything like this experience:-

When my AS son was about 2 or 3 years old, he was playing with his toy cars & I was sitting in an armchair.
He said "mummy, that lady what is sitting in the chair with you is watching the television."
I asked what she was wearing.
He said " A black hat and black jumper &  black trousers."
I didn't refer to it again, but a couple opf days later, he said that the lady was crying because I was spoiling her house.

What I find strange is that he was far to young to have made this up.

I have since had some rather strange experiences, which have always served to protect me from something bad.

Woman from mars,
First, I like your screen name.  Just a few months ago, in utter frustration, I told my mother that "I don't think like a woman, I think like a man." And so.

Yes, I have had inexplicable experiences.  I have dreamed places before I've been there. I've known about family deaths prior and woken up in the night when some one I am close to has had a bad experience.  I've gotten certain "vibes" from people or places and discovered later what it was all about.  Energy is all and we've got more than 5 senses.  I don't think it is supernatural and I think everybody gets their share of "gut" instincts.  Maybe people who are just a bit out of step get more.

grizeldatee Wrote:
Woman from mars,
First, I like your screen name.  Just a few months ago, in utter frustration, I told my mother that "I don't think like a woman, I think like a man." And so.

Yes, I have had inexplicable experiences.  I have dreamed places before I've been there. I've known about family deaths prior and woken up in the night when some one I am close to has had a bad experience.  I've gotten certain "vibes" from people or places and discovered later what it was all about.  Energy is all and we've got more than 5 senses.  I don't think it is supernatural and I think everybody gets their share of "gut" instincts.  Maybe people who are just a bit out of step get more.

Thanks.

Another strange experience, but I won't tell any more after this I don't want to bore anyone.
The only things I am frightened of ( except for people ) are spiders.
I recently worked 12 hour shifts, getting up at 5.30 am & arriving home at 8pm.
One time I came home & had to change my bedding I have never ever come home from a long day & done this, but I was compelled to do it.
I stripped most of the bed & found the biggest ever spider under my pillow.
I was living on my own with my young child, so had to deal with it, via the vaccuum cleaner the b****** thing was so big it rattled it's way up the hose, which then had to hang out of the window overnight.

Why did I have to change the bedding? how could I know that thing was in my bed?
Weird!!

Could anyone tell me anything on the count of St.German?
I spoke to a person that said thtere was a messege recieved from this St.German and then dissapered forever.
Now I really wonder what that was all about.

654321 Wrote:

M Wrote:
I believe and I even sometimes do.  I have had some freaky experiences that cannot be explained by science.


Oh I quite agree that science explains very little - it poses more problems and questions than answers... but that doesn't leave you just with a nut like David Ike... there are alternatives  :wink:


My apologies if someone has already pointed this out, but science just boils down to trying to disprove/improve your current hypothesis. Anything ‘paranormal’/’religious’ etc is no different, except for one thing! People often stop questioning it.

A woman who I consider a good friend recently told me that she:

Decided that she couldn’t understand (but knew) that the universe is infinite, and that there was no wall at the end of it, but that this was beyond her comprehension, so why should the bible and god and all that be any different? She told me that she had studied the bible and decided that she accepted it fully!

I asked her if she had read the gospel of Judas, she said she had probably skimmed over it, I told her they only found it in a cave a few years ago Tongue I then went on to tell her that in my opinion she was using the bible as that exact same wall, the wall at the end of the universe, that she was trying to avoid. Nobody says that anything branded as ‘paranormal’ is incorrect, we just ask that you look at it objectively, to avoid getting caught up in the moment and making the [over emotional] mistakes that the parents of ASD kids often make, such as using chelation (and other jiggery pokery).

Look here for an example: http://www.autism-watch.org/about/bio2.shtml

I think what you are referring to 654321 is ‘the difference between science practiced badly and people calling science by another name, but practicing it well', which often happens. Never forget that nothing excites a scientist more then to be left with a question at the end of a study, because it means that there is more to study, and shows them that they are not reaching conclusions Willie nilly.

Sorry if any of that came out wrong, it was not meant to sound offensive! I am not doubting that you have had experiences you can not explain M, so have I. I am just unable to grasp this line people draw between science and other things. I admit I am more likely to trust something published by a peer reviewed journal, but that is only because these people are less likely (in my experience) to try and con me or to succumb to emotional stimuli. I think everything should be studied with a scientific methodology, as the Buddha himself did, Cool Smile

MercuryA Wrote:
Oh I just remembered that I can think exactly what a person is going to say while their saying it. I used to do it all the time at school when I was board, when I was in year 8 a girl was giving a speech & in my head I said exactly everything she said as she was saying it.. Its not very useful & I cant say it out loud I can only think it. Its not like I know wat their gonna say before they say it I can just say everything at the same time.. I havnt done it in years though cos I havnt been board enough to do it.. I can even do it with songs I've never heard before in my life.


I used to experience this, it happens to everyone from time to time. It happens because of the way our brain works. The part of our brain that thinks verbaly works after the rest of our brain, and so what we hear (and sometimne what we see/lip read) is absorbed into our conciosnes before we are actualy fully concious and aware of what is going on around us, so we think we have the ‘hindsight’ to follow the speech/song/etc! In reality we can’t tell what is going on before it has happened in the way we suspect, and I think it relates to our brains attempt to read body language, and similar enviromental/socail cues (which is never as acurate as NT’s think it is). I think this part of the brain is different in aspies, hence we sometimes experience the phenonamon you described  more, but don’t pick up on the body language in most cases. I find following a lecture in this way useful for memorizing what is said, so it is a good skill to have.

Personally speaking, I would really like to know if there is a scientific explanation for ' odd / strange experiences.

Some of the strange experiences that I have experienced, could well be explained by peripheral vision, acute hearing, an elevated sense of fear leading to enhanced sensory perceptions, I have  many times explained  away some of the 'happenings' in this way.
Some though, I can't find a rational explanation for & am really interested in the why & how.

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woman from mars Wrote:
Personally speaking, I would really like to know if there is a scientific explanation for ' odd / strange experiences.

Some of the strange experiences that I have experienced, could well be explained by peripheral vision, acute hearing, an elevated sense of fear leading to enhanced sensory perceptions, I have  many times explained  away some of the 'happenings' in this way.
Some though, I can't find a rational explanation for & am really interested in the why & how.

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I am still trying to grasp the if there is a scientific explanation bit.

If something has happened, then either a course of events led to it happening or not. Even if that course of events (or non existent course of events) is something that a human can never comprehend, that does not stop that course of events (or non existent course of events) from having happened (or not happened). That course of events/non course of events [b]is[/is] the scientific explanation, not because technology, or high IQ's are involved, just simply because it is a truthful explanation of things. I just think the word 'scientific' is redundant, and that it just causes people to worry that someone is trying to explain something away to quickly.

Do you think that to wonder

woman from mars Wrote:
if there is a scientific explanation for ' odd / strange experiences.

is the same as to wonder whether it happened spontaneously and without cause? Even if it is, I would not put that path of thought down as unscientific, just as path rarely explored by science Smile

I have heard that there is a cat in a elderly-carehome that goes to the elderly that are soon about to die and lay next to them right before they die.
The carehome are happy for this because than they can get a chancse to alarm the doctor.
I dont now if its true,and unfortenatly I dont pocess the source of the information.
I have seen this happen in nursing homes & hospitals where cats are allowed.SmileSmile
My friends call me the dog whisperer. I tend to have a good rapport with animals. Also I see whisps and shadows in the corner of my eye. Things that others do not see.

Lucie1 Wrote:
I sensed when my brother died - I believe he came to say goodbye. He came back to help me with something the day after he died and again a couple of other times - once to offer to take my sisters child when the child was near death. I have on several ocassions picked up the thoughts of others - once my daughter was sleeping next to me and I picked up on her nightmare - another time playing eye spy - I read the thoughts of the person sitting next to me - it became embarrassing in the end - so I kept quiet. Another person made his presense felt - after he died. His presence made me feel really uncomfortable.


Yeah, I sense deaths, usually before and usually only people I am close to. And I tend to call people when they need to be called. And I see scenes that happen later. I've had some fairly lucid things happen -- My dead uncle woke me up when I went to attend his funeral to tell me that he was not finished.  (And what am I supposed to do with that?)  Years later, after a drink or five, I shared this with his oldest daughter and she asked how he woke me up.  When I told her she was very quiet and then said that she was creeped out because that is exactly the way he woke her up when he was alive.

By the way, I generally don't talk about such things.  People don't deal with it very well.  I believe, however, that most people have had such experiences.  I think they convince themselves that they imagined things.

They teach how to develop the "siddhis" or psychic abilities in the Gnostic tradition of Samael Aun Weor which I study, and they go at depth to give an explanation of history, religion and esotericism, it's quite interesting, especially if you listed to the radio station:

http://www.gnosticradio.org/

I've been practicing for a few years, and I have mildly prophetic dreams which I can interpret well with the master's Dream Yoga book, and know in general what's approaching for me in the next few days.

I also sometimes have the ability of projecting my thoughts, where other people can see them (if they have clairvoyance) or feelings.

http://www.gnosticteachings.org
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