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They're failing to take successful cases into account. My dad wasn't diagnosed until his late 40s, and he was a math teacher for decades.

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Geeky.

Clueless.

Loner.

Loser.

Just plain odd.


Charming way to begin an article, with a long list of what amounts to racial slurs.

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In the last decade, diagnosis of school-aged children has become commonplace; rare is the school district untouched by Asperger's. That first wave of Aspies is just now entering young adulthood, having reaped the benefit of everything from occupational therapy to social-skills training.


I thank God and my parents that I never "reaped the benefit" of neuroleptic drugs, special needs classes, and relentlessly negative predictions about my future prospects, but was instead allowed to grow up thinking of myself as a normal, healthy, competent human being.

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a support group for Asperger's families has written a pamphlet it intends to distribute to clergy, marriage and family counselors, and neurologists -- the frontline people who might end up diagnosing an adult. The pamphlet, "Living in a World They Don't Understand," will also be sent to every state legislator, said Mary Meyer of Allendale, coordinator of an adult chapter of ASPEN, the Asperger Syndrome Education Network.


We need to combat this sort of propaganda with our own lobbyists and pamphlets.  This is one situation where the Aspie tendency toward obsessive monologues could prove very useful.  How about recruiting some unemployed Aspies to walk the hallways of state and provincial capitols, the US Congress, Parliament, etc., handing out AFF pamphlets and talking legislators' ears off about autistic civil rights at every opportunity?

Bonnie Ventura Wrote:

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Geeky.

Clueless.

Loner.

Loser.

Just plain odd.


Charming way to begin an article, with a long list of what amounts to racial slurs.


That's a rather strange analogy. "Geeky" is a title worn with pride these days, and "clueless" is much more associated with ditzy teens. As for the others, they can be applied to anyone, really.

So to compare universal insults--one of which is taken as a *compliment* by many--to racial slurs is extremely off.

Uschi Wrote:
those words at the beginning? They are just there to catch people's interest. And that is precisely what I was called by my mother, classmates and many others.


Just for the sake of argument, let's imagine that this article was written about some other minority group.  What if the reporter had been assigned to write about Jews and had decided to catch people's interest by beginning the article with a list of insults often directed at Jews?  I expect her editor would have fired her instantly.

Uschi Wrote:
I think my sister and I would be doing much better if we would have had some help as children (and I DON'T mean medication, I totally disagree with medicating children with AS). Some social skills training, for instance, would have been very helpful.


Yes, but social skills training and other help can be provided without all those negative labels and stereotypes.

Uschi Wrote:
I guess I am so used to these 'names', that I have become insensitive to them.


Here's a good article that discusses bullying of 'weirdos' as a civil rights issue:

http: //www. aspar.klattu.com.au/nolonger.htm

* Edited to break the hyperlink.  I'm definitely not interested in raising Judy Singer's Google rankings.  Although the bullying article is well-written, she has obviously lost more than a few of her "marbles" since she wrote it!

Uschi Wrote:
The problem with social skills training is, that you don't get it (or at least it's not funded by the government, and we were extremely poor) unless you are officially diagnosed with something like AS.


That needs to change.  Social skills ought to be part of the regular curriculum at all schools, and not just for the Aspie kids, either.  There are many ill-behaved NTs who need plenty of social skills training, especially the bullies.

Uschi Wrote:
It's very lonely, not trusting your own mother (and subsequently not trusting ANYBODY any more, for 38 years). I am still learning to trust people again, and find it very hard.


*big cyber-hug for you*

It worked when I tried it, but here it is again:

http: //www. aspar.klattu.com.au/nolonger.htm

* Edited to break the hyperlink.  I'm definitely not interested in raising Judy Singer's Google rankings.
Where do you get 'most' from?
This part:

Lili Marlene Wrote:
We have never subjected our kids to the horrors of separation, divorce, drunkeness or drug abuse, as most NT parents have.

Uschi Wrote:
I guess I am a little upset over this site.


Sorry, I didn't mean to upset you.  Obviously the author of the site is overgeneralizing from her bad experiences with her mother, but I thought the bullying article was well-written and made some good points.

Anbuend, thanks for recommending "Celebrating Autistic Parents."  I'll certainly consider writing something for it.

Lili Marlene Wrote:
Blackjack, do you know any NT parents who have not separated, divorced, been drunk in front of their kids or used illicit drugs, such as marijhuana, in front of their kids?


I know *tons* of 'em. Why?

Uschi Wrote:
now I feel sort of unsure of how good a mother I am. I sent my oldest daughter an e-mail with the link to the site, and asked her if she suffered because of me.


Ursula, I am so sorry for being thoughtless, I had no idea you would feel like that!  Please don't start thinking of yourself as a bad mother just because of a few ignorant comments on a website.

I also have an aspie father and a mother with some aspie traits, and although they sometimes got preoccupied with their own interests and didn't pay as much attention to me as NT parents might have, they were generally good parents because they accepted my differences and taught me to believe in my abilities.

There are many NT parents who treat their aspie/autistic children as defective and incapable.  Such parents cause a lot more suffering, in my opinion.

gwynfryn Wrote:
why should anyone accept "social skills" training if they don't accept they need "social skills" training.


That's easy enough.  It could be made part of the curriculum at all schools, not just for the Aspie kids, but for the NTs as well.  (Catholic schools already do this.)

It makes no sense that, although society is always declaring how valuable social skills are, most schools provide no training whatsoever in social skills!

Uschi Wrote:
nobody would dare say that blind people are bad parents, because they can't see the expression on their kid's faces, or deaf people are unfit because they won't hear their children cry and come running immediately.


Actually, for many years, children were routinely taken away from blind or deaf parents.   Sad   I hope society has advanced enough so that it won't happen all over again with aspies, but we really need to work on educating people.

Why does no one believe me when I say things? And no I don't.
One or two friends?  Lucky you.  My last 'friend' (in the loose sense of the word) was when I was twelve, and I've never had any good friends since I was nine.  I've almost finished school, and since I was nine, I've been invited to just one party, when I was twelve (not that I enjoy parties).  In assembly at school, people argue about not having to sit next to me (well, just the immature homophobes) I have absolutely no friends, in any sense of the word.  Needless to say, I've never had a boyfriend either.  Having some kind of positive relationship or interaction with just one person makes me feel good, but that doesn't happen very often.  

I don't like sitting in a group of 20 friends talking about some pointless crap, it's just nice to have one person to talk to.

'Just go up to someone and talk to them, they won't come to you' - anyone else heard this irritating piece of advice? The people that don't go up to people are the ones that CAN'T go up to people.  Lots of people don't seem to be able to grasp the concept that some people just don't know how to talk to other people, especially people they've never met before.  I think many people think that aspies (or any person who appears to be a 'loner') prefer to sit in the corner by themselves all the time, but I'm sure that this isn't the case with most aspies.
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