That's what they did in Hitler's Germany. Surely we have learned something from that?
I couldn't have said it better.
All though raising an Autisitc child will more than likely be difficult, a child is still a blessing even if it has Autism. This is the way of the coward killing a being instead of trying to understand it.
I was told in another thread, that I was too agressive towards the NTs at Schwab Learning. Saying that they're supporting the aborting of Autistic fetuses. Well, do you think I'm being too agressive now?
unfortuantley some NT's are to pig-headed to see that if this happens we'll become extinct maybe these people were these kind of racial perfection types wait haven't we heard this kind of thing before?
p.s what was the thread?
Sarah-Kate Templeton, Health Correspondent
A TEAM of doctors at one of Britain’s leading hospitals wants to create the country’s first “designer babies” free from autism.
They are preparing an application to the fertility watchdog that would allow them to screen out male embryos to reduce significantly the chance of a couple having an autistic child.
As boys are four times more likely to be born with autism than girls, couples with a family history of the condition want to ensure they have only girls. Such sex selection is not at present permitted.
Now that it is being finally recognised that there may be many more female autistic people than was previously thought & assuming that this screening does happen.
What then...............parents with autistic female children instead of males???
Having had two babies myself, I wouldn't underestimate the grind of the machine at work here. At the end of the day testing costs money and takes time and organisation, the kind of things that take years to develop and bring into play.
Here in the UK, screening for Downs is routinely offered / pressured upon mothers over age 40 & others considered to be at risk....this is free.
When and if screening for autism is available, this will also be free to 'at risk parents'.
When are humans going to realize, that just as life finds a way, so will disorders and disease. Just when you cure one, another comes along. That's just life. Trying to erase autism will only bring about a newer, quite probably more lethal combination of neurological/biological defects.
Agreed......many of these 'defects' may also be 'human induced'.
I remember reading a positive list of attributes of people on the spectrum before and one of the ones I remember was a tendency to not be racist. While part of that is no doubt from the shorter minicolumns not allowing us to entrench ourselves in the same way so easily, part of it might be we can't really just isolate ourselves in our own little quasi-self-contained group without having to really deal with and try to understand people who aren't like us. Although we can certainly do better in those regards.
I needed to look up what you meant by the word 'jock' as it is not common parlance where I live. I would never dare say it for fear of being run out of the country.
In the UK & in particular Scotland, this is considered by many to be a racist term by the English, for people from Scotland.
It may occasionally be used as a term of endearment, but in that instance it is most commonly used by the Scots as a joke about themselves.
Screening out aspies would simply reverse Darwin's ladder of evolution. We would go back to being apes! And when we lose the ability to intellectually screen out aspies... we cycle right back to becoming intelligent beings again. That would be like a dog chasing its own tail.
I'm never suggesting that there weren't faults on both sides but this was the only example I could think of in relatively recent times where there was a concerted attempt to wipe out whole races and groups of people.
Agreed - Genocide discussion is the one area where a comparison to Hitler is entirely justified. Godwins law was created to avoid incorrectly comparing conservative philosophies to fascist philosophies - which is an incorrect comparison. In this case, however, it is a reference to real actions taken by Hitler, and as such, entirely acceptable.
oh noes,tenacious, you mentioned hitler!
i invoke godwins law +4!
Tenaciouscj has taken 5 million debate damage points!
Tenaciouscj has fainted!
THis just proves that we are unwanted by most of NT society. Most NT parents would rather not have an autistic child if given the choice. The question is, should these parent be forced to have an autistic child if medical technology is developed which would allow them to make this choice? To them, pregnancy with an autistic child would be the same as an unwanted pregnancy.
in that case morally speaking any step to ban any form of abortion is positive not negative progres and is the sign of wise legislation.
It's the sign of theological legislation. You claim it to be a moral right, but I bet that when pressed, you cannot prove it.
I wish people would be a little humble in moral discourse. Don't you learn from history at all?
I wouldn't worry too much. Too many people think this 'designer baby' thing is morally wrong for it to get a strong foothold any time soon. Also we all know that scientists love messing about and doing the most frankensteinian things they can think of. There was a saying I heard, that says Scientists are so wrapped up in whether or not they could, they don't take a second to think about whether or not they should.
This is an isolated case, like the deaf case. If these parents want to take this test, let them. I only hope it bites them in the arse when their 'safe' little daughter is diagnosed with autism.
I am not in favour of the genocide of people with ASD. Where did I say that? Also, are people with ASD a separate people anyway? No, yet, you seem to be saying that our removal from the future population would be 'genocide' which is bizarre.
I believe that people with ASD should take the right to live, but that will not stop people trying to stop us from being born.
Anyway, I would not consider it a 'genocide' if they did, because I rather identify more with my race, family and nation than I do with my diagnosis.
First off, I just wanted to point out to everyone that this is just a terminology debate, so there's no need to get heated up about it.
That aside, pre-natal abortion of autistic people qualifies as genocide: We are a minority group, and "Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group" is one of the five activities prohibited under the "Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide" law.
(Note: For those that don't want to go back the the thread to find them, the five prohibited actions are:
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
© Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.)
As far as identifying more with your "race, family and nation than (you) do with (your) diagnosis", a person can belong to multiple cultural groups at once. For example, if you identified more with your country than with your religion, it would still be classified as genocide if members of your religion were being killed.
In other words, we don't have to be a "separate people" in order to be a minority group.
I think part of the problem is that people often think that genocide must co-occur with war.Historically, however, there have been many non-war attempts at genocide, often by well-meaning people.
For example, here in Australia several decades ago there was an attempt to forcibly remove aboriginal children from their parents. This qualified as genocide (point (e) above), even though the people believed they were doing it for the children's benefit.
Has anyone considered the possibility that "eliminating" AS will doom the human race? Has anyone thought that the modern human race proliferated due to autism where its ancestors failed?
This may seem funny, but I can imagine cavemen hanging around the fire while the autistic one is off in the corner inventing the wheel...and of course, his mate is grunting vehemently about how he spends too much time inventing and not enough time with his family...
thats not a new theory, Comedywriter, and it has been suggested afore that if AS is removed from the genepool, then humanity as a whole would suffer; no lightbulbs, no theory of relativity, no theory of Gravity etc etc.
however, thats leaning dangerously towards Aspergian Supremacy, and when you do discuss such matters, you have to be....careful... with your wording.
anyway, I would say welcome to AFF, but it seems you've just delurked from...well, quite the lurk period
...thats leaning dangerously towards Aspergian Supremacy, and when you do discuss such matters, you have to be....careful... with your wording.
I could have been over the top and said something like "NTs would have eventually invented the wheel, but not in time to keep me from being late to work yesterday."  But that's just wrong.  A world without NTs would be doomed as well.  Somebody has to turn down AS people when they ask for a date.  Wrong, wrong, yes I know...Bad Aspie!
As for a long hiatus, I think I registered, read, and left.  Veni, vidi, vadi.  Then, after all these months, I get an email saying "The forum is back."  I never knew it was gone.
heh.
well, stick around, you sound reasonable, a refreshing change from some of the juvinile fucknuts who we have had come through recently... alas, many of the older members have fled, or moved on. ah well.