Aspies For Freedom

:evil:   That's horrible!  Truly, disgustingly awful.


I have posted this on my blog- it doesn't get much trafic, but the more we spread the word about the awful treatment of these students, the better.

:evil:  :mad:  :cry:

Welcome to the nanny state.  If we demand the government "take care of us" on one thing (cf, seat belts or public smoking), the state will then decide it has the legitimate authority to "take care of us" for everything else, too.

   Unfortunately my mother seems to have a hard time believing this report is not fake.  Amy, I could not find anywhere in the report pdfwho had actually done the investigation- what agency, and whether they were really authorized to make these statements, and whether we can trust them.  I need that information to convince Mom that what's happening there is real.
Do you know where I can get that info?

New York Board of Regents (of the NY Department of Education, or whatever its official name) authorized and handled the investigation.  At least three members of the investigating group are direct employees of the New York department, others were professional consultants.  The report is quite genuine.  Your mother can contact the New York Board of Regents on the matter if she so wishes.

:grin:   Thanks, Dogface, that seems to be good enough for her.

I have only seen this a few days ago on AutTV.

I am so speechless, and I cannot understand a few things:

1.) Those treatments are torture, by UN and amnesty international standards.
2.) They are a crime agaist the laws of every democratic country.
3.) The case of Ms Danielson, it was clearly the worst kind of murder, torturing someone to death.

So how is this possible?



I dislike the sentiment in which this is discussed/reported. It sounds as though, these kids don't deserve that treatment for such minor things like sneezing, etc.
The thing is NOONE is allowed to be treated like this, not even criminals.
I don't like that "it's diapproved, by the autistic community"
It's illegal, simple as that.



Outrageous.

1: How much influence does the UN and Amnesty International have on domestic matters in any country?  Exactly as much as suits the propaganda desires of that country's government.
2: No, they are not crimes, because they are medicalized acts.  These children are tortured "for their own good".  Laws against torture do not apply to medicalized individuals, or at very best, laws are very loosely interpreted when applied to medicalized individuals.  Remember, the medicalized are not really human beings.  They're not even afforded the same rights and protections as livestock.  They are defectives.  Therefore, it is not only legal, but a moral imperative to "fix" them, no matter how unpleasant the horrid little creatures might think it is.  They're all defective, anyway, so they can't really tell what's good for them.
3: No, it's not murder, it's an "unfortunate accident" or "a sad result of treatment"--but such things are "sad but unavoidable", of course.

Criminals are human.  Medicalized individuals are not.  That's one of the fundamental principles of our "progressive" society, wherein we have an "ethical obligation" to see to it that "genetic defectives" aren't born and wherein we have an "ethical obligation" to ensure that the "defectives" who manage to exist are given "whatever treatment is necessary".

No, it's "for their own good".

Really? Why aren't all hospitals like that then?

The parents pay.  They have to sign a bunch of papers to allow the aversive 'therapy'- there are some kids in there who don't get the 'therapy', but most of them do.  Yes, the parents are fully aware of what their kids are being put through.  They just believe it's going to help them.  They're willing to do anything to make their kids better, including putting them through potentially deadly, torturous 'treatments'.

Well, some of the kids are nonverbal, too, but the main thing is that the kids in there (who often aren't 'kids' - some of them are full-grown adults) have no rights.  Their rights are in their parents hands, and their parents have decided that what the center is doing is not torture.  Therefore no charges are brought and the kids go on being mistreated because it's "good for them".

It used to be a widespread attitude, that if you had a handicapped child, there was so much stigma attached to it, that you had it put away in institutions, so you weren't reminded of that shame every day.

I found this interesting thing on Jacqueline Susann:
"She had a son, Guy Mansfield, on December 6, 1946, but at three he was diagnosed as being autistic and at four he was committed to an institution, and is still there."
Here's the full story: http://home.earthlink.net/~nuttbait//jac...susann.htm

The Judge Rotenburg Center is just a nasty remnant from long gone times, and they support the idea, that the parents should be ashamed, by saying "we can fix them"

I think we should create a charity for the overseeing of aspie rights, with inspections and petitions to the UN court of human rights.

And stormtroopers.

Just in case.

Do any of you know of this org?

CIBRA - Children Injured by Restraint and Aversives
http://users.1st.net/cibra/index.htm
& more here http://community-2.webtv.net/CIBRA/CIBRA/

This is from their website:

CIBRA is a fledgling organization in the first stages of development. Founded by families whose autistic children were severely traumatized in well known programs of discrete trial (ABA)and other various settings utilizing dangerous behavior modification techniques, we are an integral part of the fast growing civil rights movement in the autism community.

Our central mission is to provide a national/international support network for parents whose children (including adult children) have been traumatized, injured or killed by abusive behavior modification (ABA) and restraint . This mission includes raising public awareness of the abuses taking place in the treatment community.

We will provide a national/international forum for public testimony of victims of these abuses. Following on the heels of the 60 Minutes (TV program ) expose' of the Charter Hospital chain, FOX News expose' entitled "Deadly Restraint" and Hard Copy's expose' on these same type of dangerous practices being used with autistic children (frequently without informed consent from parents), our goal is to arrest the growing use of this type of abusive , dangerous, and unethical treatment of children taking place in behavioral treatment systems and school districts.

CIBRA is comprised of 2 divisions:

Autism Division (Our primary division)
Addressing abuses taking place in autism treatment and early intervention.

Mental Health Division
Addressing abuses taking place psychiatric treatment facilities with autistic and non-autistic children (Coming soon!).

If your child has been traumatized or injured we entreat you to join us in our support network and public awareness campaign.

To join our fast growing membership list send e-mail to CIBRA@webtv.net

Membership Note:
Membership in CIBRA does not imply that you and your child have been personally victimized. Membership is OPEN TO ALL and we strongly encourage everyone who is interested in building a safer world for autistic/PDD children to join. (Membership is free) If you and your child have been victimized, you may join our Confidential Support Network. Information about the Network is available upon joining CIBRA.

I read the whole thing, including public responses. Even being a very fast reader it has taken me hours and I feel sick.

I have trouble working out how something like this can really exist. It's twisted. Poor people. Locked up for life with an electric shock machine on your back....Just for being Autistic.

What the hell can we do? Now? RIGHT NOW while I still cannot see for tears and am having a hard job not throwing up. The abuse of that poor lad by the police was awful - and this is worse by a factor of several million.

This would be a deserving action -

They have a statement on their website about medication. I think it applies just as well to their so-called "treatment":