Aspies For Freedom

Bluelight.ru has also started a thread against the rottenberg center (and I had to give a severe yelling at an NT chemhack who used the term ass burger" against us. he has since apologised (he had little choice :evil: )

for those who didn't sign the petition yet, and for those who signed it before and want to see how many signatures have been collected so far and how many spoke against these horrors!

http://www.petitiononline.com/NYs6876/petition.html

I hope that report will have effect.

Amy. the remark made by the chemist (and subsequently eaten for breakfast before being made to apologise) was not on bluelight, but in private conversation, the guy apologised pretty quickly when faced with a a rather pissed off aspie (it seems a lot of us are AS)

I would give a link, but unfortunately the forum was pruned recently, and even though it was a recent thread, it fell victim to the pruning.

Everyone on BL collectively came down against the rottenberg center like the proverbial ton of bricks actually, us lot there are discriminated against in the same way really, so its not surprising, but hell hath no fury like a bunch of hacked-off tweakers :lol:


"Failing to maintain a neat appearance" ? what the F*CK?

I would almost certainly get a shocking for "failing not to kick heads into walls" :evil:

I just had something occur to me.

I live in Massachusetts.
I turn 18 in three weeks.
My state representative and senator both actually make efforts to listen to their consitutuents.
My friends are all also around 18.

The question then is whether my state congresspeople will listen, or whether, as in the cases of the seatbelt laws, they'll consider "curing Autism" or "providing essential services" as part of the "public good."

Worth a try I suppose.

Too bad I'm too much of a coward for "Direct Action" (e.g. committing crimes against the personell and property of the center).

Thanks.

I'm stuck rather on a cliff right now, on how I want to end it, but it's raining, so I can't walk down to the PO today anywhen.

OF course the other isssue is that I'm in Western Massachusetts.  With 1 out of every eight people and almost half the land area, we tend to be ignored on all political issues by Boston, which has half again as many as us in the city alone.

Thanks.

I'm stuck rather on a cliff right now, on how I want to end it, but it's raining, so I can't walk down to the PO today anywhen.

OF course the other isssue is that I'm in Western Massachusetts.  With 1 out of every eight people and almost half the land area, we tend to be ignored on all political issues by Boston, which has half again as many as us in the city alone.

You know, considering that my opposition to the death penalty is on practical (more expensive, in most cases not proven beyond all doubt and in the case of major warcriminals the martyr factor) rather than moral grounds, I'm somwhat inclined to agree.

Of course, the practice is mostly legal, and if it were not, there would be the same issues with proof and cost of appeals that would normally apply.

We have to get ourselves to a point where we'll be portrayed first.

But yeah, true, most organizations seem to have some sort of PR department and still have issues.

Ones without, mostly forums come to mind tend to come across as blatantly partisan.

Which all advocacy groups are, but people are idiots.

Okay, I know for a fact that at least two of the state legislators near the JRC oppose its treatment of people on the spectrum -- one of my close friends has worked as a campaign manager for both of them, and one had offices just down the block from the center, so it was a topic that came up a lot.  I'll see what I can find out in terms of specifics and contact information, but I think I recall her telling me that they were trying to sponsor more efforts to shut down the use of aversives there, and I'm sure that a letter-writing campaign on our part would be useful.  After all, I'm sure they hear plenty opposing stopping this horrible abuse from parents; they may not hear as much from our side.

Well.....as afar as prefering medication over aversives, I would be for neither, unless the person was doing something to hurt themself.

Aversives are nasty and abusive, but medication is hurtful in a more insiduous way and is really almost as barbaric.

Some of the heavier anti-psychotics that schizophrenics and autistic people are prescribed can cause Parkinson's like neurological disorders. Serotonin affecting meds for depression and mania can become addictive.

From my personal experience, the whole field of psychiatry and some of psychology is pretty much experimental horseshit. Until relatively recently, psychiatrists engaged in trepanation and other forms of barbarism and, until the 1980's, told us that homosexuality is a mental disorder. Basically, I find that Psychistrists are obsessed with classifying/labelling people and subsequently prescribing them a medication for their "affliction" and Psychologists are usually interested in controlling your behavior or forcing you to reflect on it.

I know that is a little off topic, but, I had to throw in my 2 cents. As previously noted, I was a "Student" at Judge Rotenberg Center for over 3 years, so, I am well aware of the arguments presented by boths sides re: meds.

I was a student there. I am looking for a link to an old thread that had a lengthy post about my stay there. Stand by.

Here is my old post:



Just to give the people who post here some insight into how the school (JRC) operated at hat time...don't know how helpful it will be:

I was a student there from 1989-1992. Back then, the school was called Behavior Research Institute and the main school building was at 240 Laban Street in Providence, R.I.. There were, at that time, about 8 satellite residences in the nearby suburbs of Attleboro, Seekonk, and Rehoboth Massachussetts. This was just a couple of years before the tremendous growth spurt they experienced. I'd estimate about 5 years before the school building moved up to Massachussetts and they acquired a lot of new properties.

Anyway, I was a student at the time Linda Cornelison passed away. She was a resident of the "Frenier" house, which I believe is in Rehoboth. I didn't have much interaction with her, as I was one of two or perhaps 3 students that weren't retarded or learning disabled. At that time, the school was making their transition from dealing solely with the severely developmentally disabled and self-abusive to students with more mainstream/common issues.

When I first arrived there, the school had about 60 students and catered to mostly severely autisitic/mentaly retarded people with a high incidence of self-asusive behavior and uncontrollable violence. During the three years that I was there, they started accepting more and more students that were actually school aged kids (14-21) with higher intellignece/fuctioning. They started to get people more like myself: Incorrigible delinquents. Or, they would get girls with compulsions and eating disorders. They can pretty much thank me for that. At that time, I heard rumors of my school district paying 150K a year to remand me there. And that was 17 years ago. I'd imagine they probably command 225K a student now. Which is how they can afford all of these luxurious homes that are decorated by that Tobinworld lady like something out of a mental patient's interpretation of Alice in Wonderland. But having horrible aesthetic taste is the least of their crimes. Loud clashing color schemes were the least of my worries while I was a student there.

Anyway, by diversifying their student body and doing a bangup job of selling themselves with photo/video media at seminars/trade shows/etc, they were able to get their name out there and a reputation for successfully dealing with higher functioning students. Then, the whole place got even creepier and enrollment went up like 300% from that time. They appeal to parents like mine, who, are middle class or aupper middle class and live in affluent school districts where the fiscal resources are such that 150K a year to house a studfent who is delinquent or violent is not such a bad alternative to having to fight the parents in court and risk the kid staying in his high school and killing somebody. The way I see, it, it's a small price to pay. Because parents like mine have a modicum of money, and they will fight in the legal system to keep their kid out of jail and in school. So, I believe, what happens, is that the parents, the school district, and the courts come to an agreement that the child is "emotionaly disturbed" or whatever, and they say he/she is not inherently criminal, but troubled and in need of "therapy." I'll tell you this: If I was a poor Black kid from NYC, as opposed to the gifted son of a college professor from LI, I would have been put in juvenile detention and that would have been that. So, in my case, I feel I received the "benefits" of racial/economic privelege. I was commiting CRIMES. I was cutting classes, destroying things, assaulting adults......I should have been placed in Juvenile Detention. Instead, I now have an experience that no one else but maybe 400-500 other kids in the whole country/world can relate to. I cannot even explain it to people. Most people think I'm a bullshit artist who watches too much Clockwork Orange when I describe this place to them. While Juvenile Detention is a bad place too, at least I would have had a definite sentence, and, upon realease could relate to and explain my situation to others.

Anyway, admittedly, this post rambles and is not representatie of my best writing,, so, if anyone has any questions regarding my experience, or how the place was run during my time there, I will be glad to oblige you. E-mail = Dystopianvictim@yahoo.com.

P.S.: Why is there no "edit" function on this site? I would like to go back and correct typos and insert additional content......Serious design flaw, guys. Unless the function is here, but I just don't see it?

The lady that furnishes JRC is Judy Whatzerface: the same lady that decorates their sister program (TobinWorld) in California. She has to have the most obnoxious sense of decor I have ever seen. A Seinfeld-esque sitcom joke could not sufficiently capture this woman's lack of aesthetic taste. If you look up "ostentacious" in the dictionary, there is a portrait of her next to the word.

LOL@My father writing letters lauding JRC for what a wonderful job they did with me or whatever. "He isn't as aggressive as he used to be....." Yeah, It's called: NOT WANTING TO BE SIGNED UP FOR ELECTRIC SHOCK, YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE.

Naturally, if you scare the shit out of some dopey, still-developing teenager with the threat of burly "Behavioral Therapists" subduing him and spanking him with rubber cookie spatuals and localized electric shocks to their inner thigh, they'll toe the line like 99.9% of the rest of the population. Everyone ha sa breaking point.

What my particular case and the cases of those you DON'T read about on their propagandfest of a website, is, that once you remove the threat of punishment or the subject from his highly controlled environment, he will "regress" (YAWN) back to the aggressive behavior that he has been repressing and has been dormant for all that time.

All JRC teaches you in the long run, is how to become a better sociopath. Now, if I punch some prick in his mouth, I just make sure to look both ways for cops. I'm just as cold and alienated as ever. I'm 32 now and this is just me. Fuck the brainwashing. That's all it is. They're "teaching" and "shaping", but, it's all against your will, so, it is brainwashing.

No.....if you read my other posts/threads on the subject, the school districts pay. That means that someone's tax money is going towards the exorbitant (easily over 200K a year!!) to house the students and teach them. It's a disgusting, wasteful, sham of a place. You could probably put 3 kids through Harvard for what JRC charges to take a kid for just 3 years.