Amy,
I'm sorry but I think Lili's purpose in creating the list is all about supremacy, we're better than NT's because we are geniuses. I tried writing my post without attacking her personally but I will stop if you say so.
How is her list different from this one,
http://www.white-history.com/hwr58.htm?
How is her list different from this one,
http://www.white-history.com/hwr58.htm?
The same reason why this is a different one
http://afroamhistory.about.com/od/people/[/quote]
They are not the same. For one thing the list of scientists and inventors is nowhere near as long on the African American history page. The white history page really does come from a supremacist group and makes it seem that the white race is superior. Not so with the AM page.
I'm actually starting to see what you are getting at though. If Lili had listed more entertainers, artists and other people who've accomlished things besides becoming a famous genius, I would have less problems with it.
Why doesn't Lili include George Washington Carver in her list? I saw a show on The History Channel about him and he seemed very Aspie to me. I shouldn't encourage her but this is another reason I don't like her list, only white people.
I have to admit that I did not read Lili's lists completely at first and missed the entertainers, artists and others. I appologize to her for that and for jumping to conclusions too quickly. I believe it is important for NT society to see us as normal human beings and a list of geniuses would not further this cause at all. If anything it would make NTs think we really are different or make them jealous.
So Lili, keep your list going but please make it more like this:
http://afroamhistory.about.com/od/people
and not like this:
http://www.white-history.com/hwr58.htm
You know you’ve got a popularity problem when university students set fire to your effigy. Was there something a bit super-human about Mr Shockley?
Shockley was hated because his beliefs were considered racist. He was a firm believer in pseudo scientific theories such as the Bell Curve and the intellectual inferiority of black people. Of course this is no denial on my part that he was an Aspie.
When my child talks about wanting to become an inventor, I think more along the lines of, "yes, a job in an R&D department is probably something he would love and do well at," and I think of how I might help him remove any obstacles he might face, and talk with him about the schooling he will need.
Albert Einstein and Bill Gates didn't need any schooling to accomplish what they did. Sometimes I think formal education is worthless for Aspies. Some of us can earn all sorts of university degrees yet get nowhere in life. Others like Gates can drop out of college and become the richest man in the world.
I think Himmler may have been an aspie as well.
So do I. Everything I've read and seen about Himmler says to me that he was an aspie. He was described as pedantic with a montone voice. In pictures he is often shown with a weird expression on his face.
I found the following article about Einstein. The real Einstein may have been less Aspie than we were lead to believe.
http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2...tters.html
Letters shed light on Einstein's many loves
Last Updated Mon, 10 Jul 2006 16:39:48 EDT
CBC News
Celebrated physicist Albert Einstein was an unapologetic ladies' man who divided his attention among six girlfriends, according to a collection of letters made public on Monday.
The collection of about 3,500 pages includes correspondence with both his wives and with his children. In them, Einstein discusses his extra-marital affairs, his theory of relativity, his Nobel prize and his family.
"It is true that Mrs. M. followed me [to England] and her chasing after me is getting out of control," Einstein wrote to his step-daughter Margot in 1931.
The eccentric Jewish-German physicist also described his relationships with a Margarete, an Estella, a Toni, a second Toni and an Ethel in his correspondence. Einstein is believed to have also had an affair with his secretary Betty Neumann in 1923.
In a surprisingly candid letter to his second wife Elsa, Einstein wrote: "Mrs. M. definitely acted according to the best Christian-Jewish ethics: 1) one should do what one enjoys and what won't harm anyone else; and 2) one should refrain from doing things one does not take delight in and which annoy another person. Because of 1) she came with me, and because of 2) she didn't tell you a word. Isn't that irreproachable?"
Einstein's step-daughter Margot, who died in July 1986, bequeathed the letters to the university but specified that they remain sealed until 20 years after her death.
The letters also shed light on the fate of Einstein's 1921 Nobel Prize money, which many speculated was handed over to his first wife, Mileva. In fact, Einstein lost the bulk of the prize money in the stock market crash in 1929, according to the letters.
And the letters show that he also lost some of his enthusiasm for the theory that made him famous. "Soon I'll be fed up with the relativity," he wrote to Elsa in 1921. "Even such a thing fades away when one is too involved with it."
Physicist Albert Einstein and his second wife, Elsa, in this 1931 photo. (Associated Press) Einstein also wrote about his difficult relationship with his son Eduard, who suffered from schizophrenia, and of his affection for Margot.
"I love her [Margot] as much as if she were my own daughter, perhaps even more so, since who knows what kind of brat she would have become [had I fathered her]," he wrote in a 1924 letter to Elsa.
Einstein immigrated to the United States in 1933 after the Nazis rose to power in Germany. He settled in Princeton, N.J., and taught at the Institute for Advanced Study. Before his death in 1955, he lectured throughout Europe and the United States and became an outspoken pacifist.
While traveling abroad, Einstein sent letters to Elsa and Margot almost every day.
Famous people attract more women than an average aspie. I didn't see anything there that added or removed doubt that he was an aspie.
One simple check it if you cannot confirm someone is an aspie, can you confirm they are NT? I think for Einstein the answer is certainly no.
Did you see the Einstein video on AutTV Theosoph?
The firewall where I work doesn't allow the streaming video to work so I didn't see the video. I could download the file but it's quite large. I suppose you could be right about Einstein. It's just that I've never heard the words "extramarital affairs" being associated with AS males.
?? Is this person on the list? Steve Clark, guitarist for Def Leppard, deceased. I am not sure about this.
It seems he just was interested in playing the guitar and doing cross work puzzles. He was also an alcoholic. He died in 1991.
He was described as shy but really very funny when people got to know him. He was at one point diagnosed with bi-polar but somehow I do not think it fit him. Some people who knew him do not think that diagnosis fit.
see articles at
http://www.deflepparduk.com/steveint8.html
http://www.deflepparduk.com/steveint7.html
http://www.deflepparduk.com/steveint6.html
I am not sure why I want to know if he really had Asperger's Syndrome Disorder. He was a gifted musician and performer.
Hey on the subject of rock stars who may be Aspie. How about Jeordie White, he was Twiggy while he was in Marilyn Manson. Basically he's really shy, and plays Nintendo alot. Sounds kind of Aspieish to me.
Osama bin Laden has too many wives to be an aspie.
"The term 'gay' may be recent but the concept of (male)homosexuality has been understood for Thousands of years."
That's simply not true. The fact that you would make that statement indicates your ignorance of the subject. You should either confine your discussion to topics you know something about or remain a learner rather than a self-appointed authority.
I thought it was a known fact that Alexander the Great was gay.
OMG! I hope not!. That would set our cause back 1000 years or so.
I believe he was... I've seen very compelling analysis. After all, Aspergers really is "Autistic Psychopathy" a lack of emotions or apathy, of an autistic background.
LC
Not for me it isn't, and not for lots of other Aspies I know. We do have emotions and are far from apathetic: we just have some issues about expressing the emotions. It's only a minority of Aspies who lack emotions.
If I were to have a stab at "diagnosing" Adolph Hitler, I would suggest he suffered from histrionic (borderline) personality, severe paranoia, and narcissistic personality.