07-12-2006, 06:00 PM
07-14-2006, 02:35 PM
Being a cheater isn't something that I'd associate with the aspie stereotype, but I suspect that some people on the spectrum might be ... what's a polite word for it? ... there is no polite word for it ... root rats.
There's nothing new about the idea that Einstein had many affairs, but the latest release of documents provide extra confirmation. I think the fact that Einstein was a serial cheat throws up questions about the quality of his relationships, especially his relationships with his wives. If one was never much or never really in love, cheating isn't that big a deal to a person. Einstein has written clearly about his lack of firm attachment with other people in this quote:
There's nothing new about the idea that Einstein had many affairs, but the latest release of documents provide extra confirmation. I think the fact that Einstein was a serial cheat throws up questions about the quality of his relationships, especially his relationships with his wives. If one was never much or never really in love, cheating isn't that big a deal to a person. Einstein has written clearly about his lack of firm attachment with other people in this quote:
Quote:
"My passionate sense of social justice and social responsibility has always contrasted oddly with my pronounced lack of need for direct contact with other human beings and human communities. I am truly a lone traveler and have never belonged to my country, my home, my friends, or even my immediate family, with my whole heart; in the face of all these ties, I have never lost a sense of distance and a need for solitude..."
07-22-2006, 04:37 PM
I'm more convinced than ever that Hans Christian Andersen's story "The princess and the pea" is all about autistic sensory hypersensitivity. I was cleaning the kids' bedrooms today, and I remembered that one of our kids has a bed with two mattresses on it, and they explained, in a fit of temper, that the upper mattress is essential because the lower mattress is too hard and uncomfortable to sleep on alone, and our child said we were cheapskates to buy such a dreadful mattress in the first place. We are cheapskates, but that's not the point.
08-15-2006, 05:13 PM
I've done another version of the longer list. If you can pick any errors or have any comments please let me know.
I recently read the book "Geek chic" by Neil Feineman, and it's a nostalgic read for a geeky type like myself who is in their 40th decade. There are too many famous aspies and famous probable aspies to mention. Kraftwerk and Bill Gates and Einstein get 2 page spreads, and there's an amusing Warhol anecdote (there are so many amusing Warhol anecdotes out there). "Geek food" is covered in the book, including coffee, potato crisps, asprin and Pizza Hut pizzas. I wonder how long a geek could live on that combination of staples? I'm sure some have tried.
I recently read the book "Geek chic" by Neil Feineman, and it's a nostalgic read for a geeky type like myself who is in their 40th decade. There are too many famous aspies and famous probable aspies to mention. Kraftwerk and Bill Gates and Einstein get 2 page spreads, and there's an amusing Warhol anecdote (there are so many amusing Warhol anecdotes out there). "Geek food" is covered in the book, including coffee, potato crisps, asprin and Pizza Hut pizzas. I wonder how long a geek could live on that combination of staples? I'm sure some have tried.
02-10-2007, 03:11 PM
A referenced list of famous people diagnosed with an autism spectrum condition or subject of published speculation about whether they are/were on the autistic spectrum who have received Nobel Prizes, other very prestigious academic prizes or national honours
Dan (Daniel) Aykroyd (C.M.) (b. 1952, diagnosed with Asperger and Tourette syndromes. Musician, film actor, comedian and screenwriter. One of the famous Blues Brothers. A Member of the Order of Canada, investiture 1999)
Samuel Beckett (1906-1989, winner of Nobel Prize in literature in 1969, playwright, poet, novelist, left-handed cricket player)
Richard Borcherds (b. 1959, diagnosed with Asperger Syndrome, winner of Fields Medal 1998, professor of mathematics)
Paul Dirac (1902-1984, winner of Nobel Prize in physics in 1933)
Sir Arthur Conan Doyle (1859–1930, wrote the Sherlock Holmes stories and novels)
Marie Curie (1867-1934, Polish-French chemist and physicist, pioneer of research on radioactivity, winner of Nobel Prizes in physics in 1903 and in chemistry in 1911, the only woman to date to win two Nobel Prizes, eldest daughter won a Nobel Prize in chemistry)
Albert Einstein (1879–1955, winner of Nobel Prize in physics in 1921)
Paul Erdos (1913-1996, winner of Wolf Prize in mathematics 1983/4)
Sir William Rowan Hamilton (1805-1865, mathematician, physicist, astronomer, polyglot, and child prodigy)
Keith Joseph (CH, PC) (1918-1994, British conservative politician)
Sir Isaac Newton (1642–1726, physicist, genius)
Enoch Powell (MBE) (1912-1998, real name John Enoch Powell, controversial right-wing British politician)
Bertrand Russell (1872–1970, philosopher, winner of Nobel Prize in literature in 1950)
William Shockley (1910-1989, winner of Nobel Prize in physics in 1956, co-inventor of the transistor, Silicon Valley pioneer, professor, advocate of eugenics, sperm donor with the Repository For Germinal Choice)
Vernon L. Smith (b.1927, diagnosed with Asperger syndrome, winner of Nobel Prize in economics in 2002)
William Butler Yeats (1865–1939, winner of Nobel Prize in literature in 1923, poet, dramatist)
References
Baron-Cohen, Simon (2003) The essential difference. Penguin Books.
[Richard Borcherds, Paul Dirac, Einstein, Newton, William Shockley, Michael Ventris]
Fitzgerald, Michael (2005) The genesis of artistic creativity: Asperger’s syndrome and the arts. Jessica Kingsley Publishers.
[Gaudi, Hopper, Quine, Wittgenstein, Maxwell, Swift, H. Christian Andersen, Melville, Carroll, W. B. Yeats, Conan Doyle, Orwell, Chatwin, Spinoza, Kant, Weil, A. J. Ayer, Mozart, Beethoven, Satie, Bartok, Gould, van Gogh, J. B. Yeats, L.S. Lowry, Warhol]
Fitzgerald, Michael (2004) Autism and Creativity; Is There a Link between Autism in Men and Exceptional Ability? Brunner-Routledge.
[Wittgenstein, Sir Keith Joseph, Eamon de Valera, W. B. Yeats, Lewis Carroll, Ramanujan, Socrates]
Fitzgerald, Michael (1999) "Did "The Man Who Loved Only Numbers", Paul Erdos, Have Asperger Syndrome?" Nordic Journal of Psychiatry. 53.6 (1999): 465-466.
[Paul Erdos]
Gross, Terri. Radio interview of Dan Aykroyd on NPR. NPR.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story...Id=4181931
[Dan Aykroyd discusses childhood diagnosis at around 29 minutes into interview]
Herera, Sue (2005) Mild autism has “selective advantages”: Asperger syndrome can improve concentration. MSNBC.com.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7030731/
[Vernon L. Smith]
James, Ioan (2005) Asperger syndrome and high achievement: some very remarkable people. Jessica Kingsley Publishers.
[Michelangelo, Philip of Spain, Newton, Swift, John Howard, Cavendish, Jefferson, van Gogh, Satie, Russell, Einstein, Bartók, Ramanujan, Wittgenstein, Kinsey, Weil, Turing, Highsmith, Warhol, Glenn Gould]
James, Ioan (2004) Remarkable physicists: from Galileo to Yukawa. Cambridge University Press.
[Newton, Cavendish, Einstein, Dirac]
Ledgin, Norman (2002) Asperger’s and self-esteem: insight and hope through famous role models. Future Horizons, 2002.
[Albert Einstein, Charles Darwin, Orson Welles, Marie Curie, Carl Sagan, Glenn Gould, Mozart, Thomas Jefferson]
Lyons, Viktoria and Fitzgerald, Michael (2005) Asperger Syndrome - A Gift or a Curse? Nova Science Publishers Inc.
[Kinsey, Kubrick, Patricia Highsmith, Charles Darwin, Bertrand Russell, Robert Walser, Joy Adamson, Enoch Powell, William James Sidis, Kurt Goedel]
Plotz, David (2005) The genius factory: unravelling the mysteries of the Nobel Prize sperm bank. Simon & Schuster UK. 2005.
Walker, Antionette and Fitzgerald, Michael (2006) Unstoppable brilliance: Irish geniuses and Asperger’s syndrome. Liberties Press.
[Robert Emmet, Pádraig Pearse, Éamon de Valera, Robert Boyle, William Rowan Hamilton, Daisy Bates, WB Yeats, James Joyce, Samuel Beckett]
Details of some authors and sources of references
Professor Simon Baron-Cohen
Co-director of the Autism Research Centre
Cambridge University
Professor Michael Fitzgerald
Henry Marsh Professor of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry
Trinity College, Dublin
Professor Ioan James
Savilian Professor of Geometry
Oxford University
MSNBC.com
A popular online news service half owned by Microsoft and half owned by NBC Universal.
Dan (Daniel) Aykroyd (C.M.) (b. 1952, diagnosed with Asperger and Tourette syndromes. Musician, film actor, comedian and screenwriter. One of the famous Blues Brothers. A Member of the Order of Canada, investiture 1999)
Samuel Beckett (1906-1989, winner of Nobel Prize in literature in 1969, playwright, poet, novelist, left-handed cricket player)
Richard Borcherds (b. 1959, diagnosed with Asperger Syndrome, winner of Fields Medal 1998, professor of mathematics)
Paul Dirac (1902-1984, winner of Nobel Prize in physics in 1933)
Sir Arthur Conan Doyle (1859–1930, wrote the Sherlock Holmes stories and novels)
Marie Curie (1867-1934, Polish-French chemist and physicist, pioneer of research on radioactivity, winner of Nobel Prizes in physics in 1903 and in chemistry in 1911, the only woman to date to win two Nobel Prizes, eldest daughter won a Nobel Prize in chemistry)
Albert Einstein (1879–1955, winner of Nobel Prize in physics in 1921)
Paul Erdos (1913-1996, winner of Wolf Prize in mathematics 1983/4)
Sir William Rowan Hamilton (1805-1865, mathematician, physicist, astronomer, polyglot, and child prodigy)
Keith Joseph (CH, PC) (1918-1994, British conservative politician)
Sir Isaac Newton (1642–1726, physicist, genius)
Enoch Powell (MBE) (1912-1998, real name John Enoch Powell, controversial right-wing British politician)
Bertrand Russell (1872–1970, philosopher, winner of Nobel Prize in literature in 1950)
William Shockley (1910-1989, winner of Nobel Prize in physics in 1956, co-inventor of the transistor, Silicon Valley pioneer, professor, advocate of eugenics, sperm donor with the Repository For Germinal Choice)
Vernon L. Smith (b.1927, diagnosed with Asperger syndrome, winner of Nobel Prize in economics in 2002)
William Butler Yeats (1865–1939, winner of Nobel Prize in literature in 1923, poet, dramatist)
References
Baron-Cohen, Simon (2003) The essential difference. Penguin Books.
[Richard Borcherds, Paul Dirac, Einstein, Newton, William Shockley, Michael Ventris]
Fitzgerald, Michael (2005) The genesis of artistic creativity: Asperger’s syndrome and the arts. Jessica Kingsley Publishers.
[Gaudi, Hopper, Quine, Wittgenstein, Maxwell, Swift, H. Christian Andersen, Melville, Carroll, W. B. Yeats, Conan Doyle, Orwell, Chatwin, Spinoza, Kant, Weil, A. J. Ayer, Mozart, Beethoven, Satie, Bartok, Gould, van Gogh, J. B. Yeats, L.S. Lowry, Warhol]
Fitzgerald, Michael (2004) Autism and Creativity; Is There a Link between Autism in Men and Exceptional Ability? Brunner-Routledge.
[Wittgenstein, Sir Keith Joseph, Eamon de Valera, W. B. Yeats, Lewis Carroll, Ramanujan, Socrates]
Fitzgerald, Michael (1999) "Did "The Man Who Loved Only Numbers", Paul Erdos, Have Asperger Syndrome?" Nordic Journal of Psychiatry. 53.6 (1999): 465-466.
[Paul Erdos]
Gross, Terri. Radio interview of Dan Aykroyd on NPR. NPR.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story...Id=4181931
[Dan Aykroyd discusses childhood diagnosis at around 29 minutes into interview]
Herera, Sue (2005) Mild autism has “selective advantages”: Asperger syndrome can improve concentration. MSNBC.com.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7030731/
[Vernon L. Smith]
James, Ioan (2005) Asperger syndrome and high achievement: some very remarkable people. Jessica Kingsley Publishers.
[Michelangelo, Philip of Spain, Newton, Swift, John Howard, Cavendish, Jefferson, van Gogh, Satie, Russell, Einstein, Bartók, Ramanujan, Wittgenstein, Kinsey, Weil, Turing, Highsmith, Warhol, Glenn Gould]
James, Ioan (2004) Remarkable physicists: from Galileo to Yukawa. Cambridge University Press.
[Newton, Cavendish, Einstein, Dirac]
Ledgin, Norman (2002) Asperger’s and self-esteem: insight and hope through famous role models. Future Horizons, 2002.
[Albert Einstein, Charles Darwin, Orson Welles, Marie Curie, Carl Sagan, Glenn Gould, Mozart, Thomas Jefferson]
Lyons, Viktoria and Fitzgerald, Michael (2005) Asperger Syndrome - A Gift or a Curse? Nova Science Publishers Inc.
[Kinsey, Kubrick, Patricia Highsmith, Charles Darwin, Bertrand Russell, Robert Walser, Joy Adamson, Enoch Powell, William James Sidis, Kurt Goedel]
Plotz, David (2005) The genius factory: unravelling the mysteries of the Nobel Prize sperm bank. Simon & Schuster UK. 2005.
Walker, Antionette and Fitzgerald, Michael (2006) Unstoppable brilliance: Irish geniuses and Asperger’s syndrome. Liberties Press.
[Robert Emmet, Pádraig Pearse, Éamon de Valera, Robert Boyle, William Rowan Hamilton, Daisy Bates, WB Yeats, James Joyce, Samuel Beckett]
Details of some authors and sources of references
Professor Simon Baron-Cohen
Co-director of the Autism Research Centre
Cambridge University
Professor Michael Fitzgerald
Henry Marsh Professor of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry
Trinity College, Dublin
Professor Ioan James
Savilian Professor of Geometry
Oxford University
MSNBC.com
A popular online news service half owned by Microsoft and half owned by NBC Universal.
02-10-2007, 03:17 PM
A referenced list of famous people diagnosed with an autism spectrum condition or subject of published speculation about whether they are/were on the autistic spectrum who have received Nobel Prizes, other very prestigious academic prizes or national honours
Dan (Daniel) Aykroyd (C.M.) (b. 1952, diagnosed with Asperger and Tourette syndromes. Musician, film actor, comedian and screenwriter. One of the famous Blues Brothers. A Member of the Order of Canada, investiture 1999)
Samuel Beckett (1906-1989, winner of Nobel Prize in literature in 1969, playwright, poet, novelist, left-handed cricket player)
Richard Borcherds (b. 1959, diagnosed with Asperger Syndrome, winner of Fields Medal 1998, professor of mathematics)
Paul Dirac (1902-1984, winner of Nobel Prize in physics in 1933)
Sir Arthur Conan Doyle (1859–1930, wrote the Sherlock Holmes stories and novels)
Marie Curie (1867-1934, Polish-French chemist and physicist, pioneer of research on radioactivity, winner of Nobel Prizes in physics in 1903 and in chemistry in 1911, the only woman to date to win two Nobel Prizes, eldest daughter won a Nobel Prize in chemistry)
Albert Einstein (1879–1955, winner of Nobel Prize in physics in 1921)
Paul Erdos (1913-1996, winner of Wolf Prize in mathematics 1983/4)
Sir William Rowan Hamilton (1805-1865, mathematician, physicist, astronomer, polyglot, and child prodigy)
Keith Joseph (CH, PC) (1918-1994, British conservative politician)
Sir Isaac Newton (1642–1726, physicist, genius)
Enoch Powell (MBE) (1912-1998, real name John Enoch Powell, controversial right-wing British politician)
Bertrand Russell (1872–1970, philosopher, winner of Nobel Prize in literature in 1950)
William Shockley (1910-1989, winner of Nobel Prize in physics in 1956, co-inventor of the transistor, Silicon Valley pioneer, professor, advocate of eugenics, sperm donor with the Repository For Germinal Choice)
Vernon L. Smith (b.1927, diagnosed with Asperger syndrome, winner of Nobel Prize in economics in 2002)
William Butler Yeats (1865–1939, winner of Nobel Prize in literature in 1923, poet, dramatist)
References
Baron-Cohen, Simon (2003) The essential difference. Penguin Books.
[Richard Borcherds, Paul Dirac, Einstein, Newton, William Shockley, Michael Ventris]
Fitzgerald, Michael (2005) The genesis of artistic creativity: Asperger’s syndrome and the arts. Jessica Kingsley Publishers.
[Gaudi, Hopper, Quine, Wittgenstein, Maxwell, Swift, H. Christian Andersen, Melville, Carroll, W. B. Yeats, Conan Doyle, Orwell, Chatwin, Spinoza, Kant, Weil, A. J. Ayer, Mozart, Beethoven, Satie, Bartok, Gould, van Gogh, J. B. Yeats, L.S. Lowry, Warhol]
Fitzgerald, Michael (2004) Autism and Creativity; Is There a Link between Autism in Men and Exceptional Ability? Brunner-Routledge.
[Wittgenstein, Sir Keith Joseph, Eamon de Valera, W. B. Yeats, Lewis Carroll, Ramanujan, Socrates]
Fitzgerald, Michael (1999) "Did "The Man Who Loved Only Numbers", Paul Erdos, Have Asperger Syndrome?" Nordic Journal of Psychiatry. 53.6 (1999): 465-466.
[Paul Erdos]
Gross, Terri. Radio interview of Dan Aykroyd on NPR. NPR.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story...Id=4181931
[Dan Aykroyd discusses childhood diagnosis at around 29 minutes into interview]
Herera, Sue (2005) Mild autism has “selective advantages”: Asperger syndrome can improve concentration. MSNBC.com.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7030731/
[Vernon L. Smith]
James, Ioan (2005) Asperger syndrome and high achievement: some very remarkable people. Jessica Kingsley Publishers.
[Michelangelo, Philip of Spain, Newton, Swift, John Howard, Cavendish, Jefferson, van Gogh, Satie, Russell, Einstein, Bartók, Ramanujan, Wittgenstein, Kinsey, Weil, Turing, Highsmith, Warhol, Glenn Gould]
James, Ioan (2004) Remarkable physicists: from Galileo to Yukawa. Cambridge University Press.
[Newton, Cavendish, Einstein, Dirac]
Ledgin, Norman (2002) Asperger’s and self-esteem: insight and hope through famous role models. Future Horizons, 2002.
[Albert Einstein, Charles Darwin, Orson Welles, Marie Curie, Carl Sagan, Glenn Gould, Mozart, Thomas Jefferson]
Lyons, Viktoria and Fitzgerald, Michael (2005) Asperger Syndrome - A Gift or a Curse? Nova Science Publishers Inc.
[Kinsey, Kubrick, Patricia Highsmith, Charles Darwin, Bertrand Russell, Robert Walser, Joy Adamson, Enoch Powell, William James Sidis, Kurt Goedel]
Plotz, David (2005) The genius factory: unravelling the mysteries of the Nobel Prize sperm bank. Simon & Schuster UK. 2005.
Walker, Antionette and Fitzgerald, Michael (2006) Unstoppable brilliance: Irish geniuses and Asperger’s syndrome. Liberties Press.
[Robert Emmet, Pádraig Pearse, Éamon de Valera, Robert Boyle, William Rowan Hamilton, Daisy Bates, WB Yeats, James Joyce, Samuel Beckett]
Details of some authors and sources of references
Professor Simon Baron-Cohen
Co-director of the Autism Research Centre
Cambridge University
Professor Michael Fitzgerald
Henry Marsh Professor of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry
Trinity College, Dublin
Professor Ioan James
Savilian Professor of Geometry
Oxford University
MSNBC.com
A popular online news service half owned by Microsoft and half owned by NBC Universal.
Dan (Daniel) Aykroyd (C.M.) (b. 1952, diagnosed with Asperger and Tourette syndromes. Musician, film actor, comedian and screenwriter. One of the famous Blues Brothers. A Member of the Order of Canada, investiture 1999)
Samuel Beckett (1906-1989, winner of Nobel Prize in literature in 1969, playwright, poet, novelist, left-handed cricket player)
Richard Borcherds (b. 1959, diagnosed with Asperger Syndrome, winner of Fields Medal 1998, professor of mathematics)
Paul Dirac (1902-1984, winner of Nobel Prize in physics in 1933)
Sir Arthur Conan Doyle (1859–1930, wrote the Sherlock Holmes stories and novels)
Marie Curie (1867-1934, Polish-French chemist and physicist, pioneer of research on radioactivity, winner of Nobel Prizes in physics in 1903 and in chemistry in 1911, the only woman to date to win two Nobel Prizes, eldest daughter won a Nobel Prize in chemistry)
Albert Einstein (1879–1955, winner of Nobel Prize in physics in 1921)
Paul Erdos (1913-1996, winner of Wolf Prize in mathematics 1983/4)
Sir William Rowan Hamilton (1805-1865, mathematician, physicist, astronomer, polyglot, and child prodigy)
Keith Joseph (CH, PC) (1918-1994, British conservative politician)
Sir Isaac Newton (1642–1726, physicist, genius)
Enoch Powell (MBE) (1912-1998, real name John Enoch Powell, controversial right-wing British politician)
Bertrand Russell (1872–1970, philosopher, winner of Nobel Prize in literature in 1950)
William Shockley (1910-1989, winner of Nobel Prize in physics in 1956, co-inventor of the transistor, Silicon Valley pioneer, professor, advocate of eugenics, sperm donor with the Repository For Germinal Choice)
Vernon L. Smith (b.1927, diagnosed with Asperger syndrome, winner of Nobel Prize in economics in 2002)
William Butler Yeats (1865–1939, winner of Nobel Prize in literature in 1923, poet, dramatist)
References
Baron-Cohen, Simon (2003) The essential difference. Penguin Books.
[Richard Borcherds, Paul Dirac, Einstein, Newton, William Shockley, Michael Ventris]
Fitzgerald, Michael (2005) The genesis of artistic creativity: Asperger’s syndrome and the arts. Jessica Kingsley Publishers.
[Gaudi, Hopper, Quine, Wittgenstein, Maxwell, Swift, H. Christian Andersen, Melville, Carroll, W. B. Yeats, Conan Doyle, Orwell, Chatwin, Spinoza, Kant, Weil, A. J. Ayer, Mozart, Beethoven, Satie, Bartok, Gould, van Gogh, J. B. Yeats, L.S. Lowry, Warhol]
Fitzgerald, Michael (2004) Autism and Creativity; Is There a Link between Autism in Men and Exceptional Ability? Brunner-Routledge.
[Wittgenstein, Sir Keith Joseph, Eamon de Valera, W. B. Yeats, Lewis Carroll, Ramanujan, Socrates]
Fitzgerald, Michael (1999) "Did "The Man Who Loved Only Numbers", Paul Erdos, Have Asperger Syndrome?" Nordic Journal of Psychiatry. 53.6 (1999): 465-466.
[Paul Erdos]
Gross, Terri. Radio interview of Dan Aykroyd on NPR. NPR.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story...Id=4181931
[Dan Aykroyd discusses childhood diagnosis at around 29 minutes into interview]
Herera, Sue (2005) Mild autism has “selective advantages”: Asperger syndrome can improve concentration. MSNBC.com.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7030731/
[Vernon L. Smith]
James, Ioan (2005) Asperger syndrome and high achievement: some very remarkable people. Jessica Kingsley Publishers.
[Michelangelo, Philip of Spain, Newton, Swift, John Howard, Cavendish, Jefferson, van Gogh, Satie, Russell, Einstein, Bartók, Ramanujan, Wittgenstein, Kinsey, Weil, Turing, Highsmith, Warhol, Glenn Gould]
James, Ioan (2004) Remarkable physicists: from Galileo to Yukawa. Cambridge University Press.
[Newton, Cavendish, Einstein, Dirac]
Ledgin, Norman (2002) Asperger’s and self-esteem: insight and hope through famous role models. Future Horizons, 2002.
[Albert Einstein, Charles Darwin, Orson Welles, Marie Curie, Carl Sagan, Glenn Gould, Mozart, Thomas Jefferson]
Lyons, Viktoria and Fitzgerald, Michael (2005) Asperger Syndrome - A Gift or a Curse? Nova Science Publishers Inc.
[Kinsey, Kubrick, Patricia Highsmith, Charles Darwin, Bertrand Russell, Robert Walser, Joy Adamson, Enoch Powell, William James Sidis, Kurt Goedel]
Plotz, David (2005) The genius factory: unravelling the mysteries of the Nobel Prize sperm bank. Simon & Schuster UK. 2005.
Walker, Antionette and Fitzgerald, Michael (2006) Unstoppable brilliance: Irish geniuses and Asperger’s syndrome. Liberties Press.
[Robert Emmet, Pádraig Pearse, Éamon de Valera, Robert Boyle, William Rowan Hamilton, Daisy Bates, WB Yeats, James Joyce, Samuel Beckett]
Details of some authors and sources of references
Professor Simon Baron-Cohen
Co-director of the Autism Research Centre
Cambridge University
Professor Michael Fitzgerald
Henry Marsh Professor of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry
Trinity College, Dublin
Professor Ioan James
Savilian Professor of Geometry
Oxford University
MSNBC.com
A popular online news service half owned by Microsoft and half owned by NBC Universal.
04-09-2007, 08:11 AM
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04-09-2007, 08:15 AM
Andy Kaufmann is in my main list. He was discussed as possibly being a "high-functioning autistic" in the book Elijah's Cup by Valerie Paradiz. From what I've read about Kaufmann he was a very interesting and enigmatic person.
04-09-2007, 11:15 AM
One of our kids appears to be quite a divergent thinker, manifesting in the child's writing. Our child has been writing some very funny and unusual stuff since they were little. The child appreaciates some very sophisticated adult-level comedy drama, while we have adults in our family who get very little out of most TV and cinema comedy. The autism genotype seems to be associated with extreme expressions of some abilities, with some under-able or weird and some with superior abilities.
04-11-2007, 03:34 AM
That's interesting, as in our family the most humour-oriented only have pretty average ability in maths, while the least humour-oriented are more able and interested in maths and technology.
04-13-2007, 08:58 AM
Lovecraft is actually in my main list (in the writers' section) which can be found here:
http://incorrectpleasures.blogspot.com/2...rtant.html
I'm not familiar with Lovecraft's work, but I do think, from what I've read, that he was certainly an aspie. Lovecraft was identified as a possible aspie in an article by a professional writer published in an online science fiction magazine, so that is why I have included Lovecraft in my main, super-duper famous aspies list. These are the details of article in which Lovecraft was mentioned:
Westfahl, Gary (2006) Homo aspergerus: evolution stumbles forward. Locus Online. March 6th 2006.
http://www.locusmag.com/
Just to clarify, my main list is for famous people who are definitley autistic (living persons formally diagnosed or self-diagnosed) or for people identified as autistic in some credible published source. There are many people who as far as I can tell have only been identified as autistic in places like internet discussion forums, private web sites and similar informal internet sources, or merely by rumour. These names I've put in the first list here:
http://incorrectpleasures.blogspot.com/2...of_19.html
The second list in this blog entry is for people who I (only) have identified as possibles.
http://incorrectpleasures.blogspot.com/2...rtant.html
I'm not familiar with Lovecraft's work, but I do think, from what I've read, that he was certainly an aspie. Lovecraft was identified as a possible aspie in an article by a professional writer published in an online science fiction magazine, so that is why I have included Lovecraft in my main, super-duper famous aspies list. These are the details of article in which Lovecraft was mentioned:
Westfahl, Gary (2006) Homo aspergerus: evolution stumbles forward. Locus Online. March 6th 2006.
http://www.locusmag.com/
Just to clarify, my main list is for famous people who are definitley autistic (living persons formally diagnosed or self-diagnosed) or for people identified as autistic in some credible published source. There are many people who as far as I can tell have only been identified as autistic in places like internet discussion forums, private web sites and similar informal internet sources, or merely by rumour. These names I've put in the first list here:
http://incorrectpleasures.blogspot.com/2...of_19.html
The second list in this blog entry is for people who I (only) have identified as possibles.
04-16-2007, 02:03 PM
Batman55 and Ziyaret, you are nothing more than troublemakers. I've read the same cliched tripe many a time, written by dopes who haven't given the stuff they are writing about half a minute's thought "You can't diagnose dead people" (what are autopsies for then?) "Not every eccentric genuis is a tragically disabled autistic person" "genuises can't tragically be disabled enough to be AS" "It's a conspiracy to make disabled autistic people appear to be too employable to qualify for the disability pension, and we can't have that" blah blah blah. I'll bet none of you people have read a single one of the items in the reference list. Armchair experts spouting cliches.
04-16-2007, 02:12 PM
I guess I should assume that people in this forum may have communication or cognitive disabilities. Perhaps I need to point out to readers that there is an important difference between reporting what OTHER PEOPLE have said or written, and making one's OWN claim that something is true. For example, there is a difference between writing a quote from a book written by another person, and writing something that is one's OWN idea or assertion or claim. Does anyone need further explanation?
04-16-2007, 02:15 PM
I recently noticed this interesting interview with David Byrne in which he mentions AS:
Purcell, Andrew (2007) Imelda: the nightclub years. The Guardian. January 29 2007.
http://music.guardian.co.uk/classical/co...88,00.html
Purcell, Andrew (2007) Imelda: the nightclub years. The Guardian. January 29 2007.
http://music.guardian.co.uk/classical/co...88,00.html
04-27-2007, 05:03 AM
Ziyaret wrote:
"This reminds me of way back in the early to mid 90s when there was wild speculation about historical figures being gay-or possibly being gay. Or even gays claim that everyone is bisexual."
I think this "wild speculation" about the gayness of famous people might have started well before the 1990s. I think the culprits may not only have been gay activists, I think the Freud brigade, psychoanalytic theorists, were also guilty of wanton labelling of all unattached people as homosexual. Freud enthusiasts appear to have believed that all people were highly sexed, so if some famous person had no apparent sex life, they concluded that they must have been a repressed or closet gay. There appears to be no room in the Freudian universe for the loner or the asexual or the "hard-to-match" person.
Many of the people in my main "famous aspies" list have been the subject of incorrect speulation that they were gay, probably because they never married. Glenn Gould was "claimed" by gay activists, even though there was apprently no evidence of homosexuality and much evidence of hetero activities. Newton was I believe labelled as a gay by a Freudian, but evidence from his own diaries suggests heterosexual desires. Patrick Pearse, diagnosed as possibly AS by Fitzgerald, is another case of a famous person with no apparent sex life assumed and rumoured to be gay:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Pearse
http://www.novenaltd.com/jsp/Liberties/b...brilliance
Many people have been annoyed by the unfounded speculation about homosexuality that happened years ago. Unlike the current wave of speculation about "famous aspies", that speculation was based on absolutely NO evidence for their case.
"I guess a lot of Aspies are looking for role models-without a doubt it has a political agenda. But Asperger Syndrome is quite a bit more than just eccentricity, or the appearance of it."
I'm not looking for any role-model (I'm in my 40s!). I do think it may be useful to study the lives of autistics to find out how they managed to succeed in this unwelcoming world that we live in, especially if one is a young aspie.
I believe eccentricity may be the only thing about an intelligent, socially-aware autistic person that NTs may notice as unusual, so I have little time for those who say stuff like "Oh, he was only eccentric". Stims and special interests are I think essential characteristics of AS, but these behaviours can be concealed or kept private by some aspies. Clumsiness may not be obvious if a clumsy person aviods activities in which clumsiness will show.
Social clumsiness can be hidden if one stays away from social activities. Many aspies are great at discussing subjects that they love in a social manner, because the mutual interest in the subject makes the discussion feel social and empathetic.
"This reminds me of way back in the early to mid 90s when there was wild speculation about historical figures being gay-or possibly being gay. Or even gays claim that everyone is bisexual."
I think this "wild speculation" about the gayness of famous people might have started well before the 1990s. I think the culprits may not only have been gay activists, I think the Freud brigade, psychoanalytic theorists, were also guilty of wanton labelling of all unattached people as homosexual. Freud enthusiasts appear to have believed that all people were highly sexed, so if some famous person had no apparent sex life, they concluded that they must have been a repressed or closet gay. There appears to be no room in the Freudian universe for the loner or the asexual or the "hard-to-match" person.
Many of the people in my main "famous aspies" list have been the subject of incorrect speulation that they were gay, probably because they never married. Glenn Gould was "claimed" by gay activists, even though there was apprently no evidence of homosexuality and much evidence of hetero activities. Newton was I believe labelled as a gay by a Freudian, but evidence from his own diaries suggests heterosexual desires. Patrick Pearse, diagnosed as possibly AS by Fitzgerald, is another case of a famous person with no apparent sex life assumed and rumoured to be gay:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Pearse
http://www.novenaltd.com/jsp/Liberties/b...brilliance
Many people have been annoyed by the unfounded speculation about homosexuality that happened years ago. Unlike the current wave of speculation about "famous aspies", that speculation was based on absolutely NO evidence for their case.
"I guess a lot of Aspies are looking for role models-without a doubt it has a political agenda. But Asperger Syndrome is quite a bit more than just eccentricity, or the appearance of it."
I'm not looking for any role-model (I'm in my 40s!). I do think it may be useful to study the lives of autistics to find out how they managed to succeed in this unwelcoming world that we live in, especially if one is a young aspie.
I believe eccentricity may be the only thing about an intelligent, socially-aware autistic person that NTs may notice as unusual, so I have little time for those who say stuff like "Oh, he was only eccentric". Stims and special interests are I think essential characteristics of AS, but these behaviours can be concealed or kept private by some aspies. Clumsiness may not be obvious if a clumsy person aviods activities in which clumsiness will show.
Social clumsiness can be hidden if one stays away from social activities. Many aspies are great at discussing subjects that they love in a social manner, because the mutual interest in the subject makes the discussion feel social and empathetic.