01-27-2008, 01:10 AM
01-27-2008, 04:47 AM
I believe he was... I've seen very compelling analysis. After all, Aspergers really is "Autistic Psychopathy" a lack of emotions or apathy, of an autistic background.
LC
LC
01-27-2008, 06:11 AM
logicalconclusion Wrote:
After all, Aspergers really is "Autistic Psychopathy" a lack of emotions or apathy, of an autistic background.
So I can add "aspies lack emotions" to the growing list of offensive statements you've made.
You could save yourself the offense and go and read Hans Aspergers work, Get off my back zakkie. A difference of opinion is one thing, hounding someone is another.
LC
After all, Aspergers really is "Autistic Psychopathy" a lack of emotions or apathy, of an autistic background.
So I can add "aspies lack emotions" to the growing list of offensive statements you've made.
You could save yourself the offense and go and read Hans Aspergers work, Get off my back zakkie. A difference of opinion is one thing, hounding someone is another.
LC
01-27-2008, 06:31 AM
On some levels, yes.. at the least a disability to recognize and communicate them...and in a deeper sense yes, aspies have a lower emotive range in many cases.
LC
LC
01-27-2008, 06:42 AM
Then go ahead and be offended with reality, it means very little to me at this point how you choose to be offended.
Maybe instead of bitching about my view of topics, you should actually go look up the subject, you might learn something instead of sitting there acting like a 5 year old with a grudge. How angry you must be. Angry and just plain sad.
LC
Maybe instead of bitching about my view of topics, you should actually go look up the subject, you might learn something instead of sitting there acting like a 5 year old with a grudge. How angry you must be. Angry and just plain sad.
LC
01-27-2008, 07:45 AM
tenaciouscj, Hmmm, thats not a bad take either... I was just looking at the diagnosis of Michael Fitzgerald. This is it here
Michael Fitzgerald, an expert in autism spectrum disorders, concludes that Hitler suffered from, and met all the criteria of Asperger's Syndrome as documented by Hans Asperger.[7] As evidence of Asperger's Fitzgerald cites Hitler's poor sleep patterns, food fads, dislike of physical contact, inability to forge genuine friendships, and an emptiness in his human relations. His conversations in the Men’s Home in Vienna were really harangues and invited no reciprocity, for which he lacked this capacity. In Munich he was distant, self-contained, withdrawn and without friends. His comrades noted that he had no humanitarian feelings. He was obsessive and rarely made good or interesting company, except in the eyes of those who shared his obsessions or those in awe of, or dependent on him. He was single minded and inflexible. He spent a great deal of time with Albert Speer, examining architectural plans, and this remained a major focus of his life throughout. His other major interest was in the music of Wagner. His greatest interest, clearly, was in control over people and power over people.[8]
Fitzgerald further states that Hitler was an ideologue with unshakable convictions, and had a bed compulsion, which demands that the bed be made in a particular way with the quilt folded according to a prescribed pattern and that a man must make the bed before he could go to sleep. He did not use language for the purpose of interaction with others, but only for the purpose of dominating others. He endlessly engaged in long-winded and pedantic speeches, with 'illogical arguments full of crude comparisons and cheap allusions.’[9] He was unable to carry on a normal conversation or discussion with people. Even if only one other person was present, he had to do all the talking. His manner of speech soon loses any conversational qualities it might have had and takes on all the characteristics of a lecture that may easily develop into a tirade. He simply forgets his companions and behaves as though he were addressing a multitude, repeating the same stories over and over again in exactly the same form, almost as though he had memorised them. After the First World War ‘his awkward mannerisms’ were noted. At that time he wore his gangster hat and trenchcoat over his dinner jacket, touting a pistol and carrying as usual his dog whip, he cut a bizarre figure in the salons of Munich’s upper-crust. But his very eccentricity of dress and exaggerated mannerisms… saw him lionized by condescending hosts and fellow guests. In his early days he wore the Bavarian costume. His clothes were not clean with his mouth brown full of brown, rotted teeth and his long fingernails he presented a rather grotesque figure. His gait was a very lady-like walk. Dainty little steps. Every few steps he cocked his right shoulder nervously, his left leg snapping up as he did so. He also had a tic in his face that caused the corner of his lips to curl upwards. People found his look ‘staring and dead.’
Fitzgerald claims, therefore, that Adolf Hitler meets the criteria for autistic psychopathy described by Hans Asperger and was not schizophrenic. [10]
So yeah, I don't know... Its still a very interesting topic in any case.
LC
Michael Fitzgerald, an expert in autism spectrum disorders, concludes that Hitler suffered from, and met all the criteria of Asperger's Syndrome as documented by Hans Asperger.[7] As evidence of Asperger's Fitzgerald cites Hitler's poor sleep patterns, food fads, dislike of physical contact, inability to forge genuine friendships, and an emptiness in his human relations. His conversations in the Men’s Home in Vienna were really harangues and invited no reciprocity, for which he lacked this capacity. In Munich he was distant, self-contained, withdrawn and without friends. His comrades noted that he had no humanitarian feelings. He was obsessive and rarely made good or interesting company, except in the eyes of those who shared his obsessions or those in awe of, or dependent on him. He was single minded and inflexible. He spent a great deal of time with Albert Speer, examining architectural plans, and this remained a major focus of his life throughout. His other major interest was in the music of Wagner. His greatest interest, clearly, was in control over people and power over people.[8]
Fitzgerald further states that Hitler was an ideologue with unshakable convictions, and had a bed compulsion, which demands that the bed be made in a particular way with the quilt folded according to a prescribed pattern and that a man must make the bed before he could go to sleep. He did not use language for the purpose of interaction with others, but only for the purpose of dominating others. He endlessly engaged in long-winded and pedantic speeches, with 'illogical arguments full of crude comparisons and cheap allusions.’[9] He was unable to carry on a normal conversation or discussion with people. Even if only one other person was present, he had to do all the talking. His manner of speech soon loses any conversational qualities it might have had and takes on all the characteristics of a lecture that may easily develop into a tirade. He simply forgets his companions and behaves as though he were addressing a multitude, repeating the same stories over and over again in exactly the same form, almost as though he had memorised them. After the First World War ‘his awkward mannerisms’ were noted. At that time he wore his gangster hat and trenchcoat over his dinner jacket, touting a pistol and carrying as usual his dog whip, he cut a bizarre figure in the salons of Munich’s upper-crust. But his very eccentricity of dress and exaggerated mannerisms… saw him lionized by condescending hosts and fellow guests. In his early days he wore the Bavarian costume. His clothes were not clean with his mouth brown full of brown, rotted teeth and his long fingernails he presented a rather grotesque figure. His gait was a very lady-like walk. Dainty little steps. Every few steps he cocked his right shoulder nervously, his left leg snapping up as he did so. He also had a tic in his face that caused the corner of his lips to curl upwards. People found his look ‘staring and dead.’
Fitzgerald claims, therefore, that Adolf Hitler meets the criteria for autistic psychopathy described by Hans Asperger and was not schizophrenic. [10]
So yeah, I don't know... Its still a very interesting topic in any case.
LC
10-03-2008, 06:01 AM
I personally think there are a lot of misconceptions of AS: among many are the fact that AS is a fixed, permanent state that cannot be changed. This is simply not true!! As a researcher, I have met and studied several people who were on the autism spectrum and had learned, not so much through behavioral therapy but through their own motivations, convictions that they can change, and initiatives that there was a way to outgrow these behaviors. And they managed to outgrow all of them. Granted, it took a period of anywhere from 3 to 7 years, but believe it or not, they did it. So it can be outgrown, and I really think that a lot of these cases are misdiagnosed. Particularly with these people, they happened to have characteristics similar to AS, but didn't have the cognitive pronouncements of autism, to any extent. And you can't have AS without the autism, so they were confirmed as misdiagnoses. The same thing happened with me; I was misdiagnosed with Bipolar II and AS when I was 15, and AS was confirmed a misdiagnosis when I was 19 (Bipolar was confirmed a mis-dx when I was 21). So it can be outgrown...
Another thing is, the kids I met and studied were very good socially, and were very adjusted to their lives. And I'm really good socially as well. Another thing is, there was a guy who posted on this website who made the error of stating that some people with AS are psychopaths, and that simply is not true...there is absolutely no link between AS and psychopathy or other mental disorders. There is one for schizophrenia, though. But not AS, as AS is neither a disability impacting judgment nor a mental disorder. People with AS are extremely logical and rational people, and they don't have insanity like sociopaths and psychopaths do.
Another thing is, the kids I met and studied were very good socially, and were very adjusted to their lives. And I'm really good socially as well. Another thing is, there was a guy who posted on this website who made the error of stating that some people with AS are psychopaths, and that simply is not true...there is absolutely no link between AS and psychopathy or other mental disorders. There is one for schizophrenia, though. But not AS, as AS is neither a disability impacting judgment nor a mental disorder. People with AS are extremely logical and rational people, and they don't have insanity like sociopaths and psychopaths do.
10-03-2008, 06:13 AM
well, duh. nevermind. i'm just stating the logically obvious there...***. dumbass i am. i think i worry too much about the stigmas that get misattributed to things like as because people out there are dumbasses who don't know any better. i mean, for someone to associate AS with some kind of mental disorder, deviation, or abnormality (when it isn't - it's just a different way of perceiving things) is obviously an idiot, and needs to be subjected to medieval torturing devices or thrown in the Tower of London for their idiocy. I'm sorry, I just find a lot of medieval instruments to be interesting. especially that little catapult thing that they used to toss the barn animals over the castle in "Monty Python and the Holy Grail". But I digress...people make false assumptions about autism. They miss the logic that correlation does not necessarily imply causation, so someone who has some characteristics that happen to be similar to AS doesn't mean that they are CAUSED by AS. They also fail to recognize the logic that a square might be a rectangle, but not all rectangles are squares (i.e. an autistic person might have AS, but not all people with AS have autism. heheh...they're entirely two different conditions (: And although they may have some similarities, they only have similarities with HFA people and not with AS. whoot.
10-03-2008, 06:15 AM
...or something (:
10-03-2008, 06:17 AM
TaylorS Wrote:
Hitler had way too much charisma and ability to charm to have been an Aspie. I'd guess he had Narcissistic Personality Disorder with OCD a bit of megalomania thrown in.
More like a major criminal psychopath with all the charm of a death adder on steroids once the victim worked out what the truth really was.
10-03-2008, 06:38 AM
And I agree with batman. I can hide my traits if I in certain circumstances if I so choose. But they are part of me I'm not me without them, and can never be me without them. I do not know life any other way.
They are not infantile behaviours as you seem to suggest that one must outgrow. They are part of me and never can be removed. Not ever. Period. Yes I can control stims and such a lot better so it doesn't annoy the crap out of poor defenceless narrow minded people.
I can categorically tell you I have not changed as the years have gone by but I've become better at using my aspies to my advantage. Toss it away? What for? I use these traits. They are me.
Yes please explain.
They are not infantile behaviours as you seem to suggest that one must outgrow. They are part of me and never can be removed. Not ever. Period. Yes I can control stims and such a lot better so it doesn't annoy the crap out of poor defenceless narrow minded people.
I can categorically tell you I have not changed as the years have gone by but I've become better at using my aspies to my advantage. Toss it away? What for? I use these traits. They are me.
Yes please explain.
10-04-2008, 07:44 AM
I think she missed the point somehow. I had to make my aspies work for me as one cannot just "get rid" of something that is me or you.