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not sure if this is true but i have heard that tim burton and steven spielburg have aspergers i also know that the creator of pokemon is an aspie
these  links might help

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_peo...c_spectrum

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_spec...n_autistic

Lili Marlene Wrote:
Thanks for the suggestions, Flardox. Tim Burton is in my big list, and so is Satoshi Tajiri.

Articles about Tim Burton and AS:

Helena Bonham Carter’s child craving. Softpedia. November 17th 2005.
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Helena-Bo...2651.shtml

Sampson, Cory (2004) Tim Burton’s Edward Scissorhands as a psychological allegory. The Tim Burton Collective.
http://www.timburtoncollective.com/edwardpsycho.html

Articles about Satoshi Tajiri and AS:

The hot 100 game developers. (2006) Next Generation. Future Network USA. 18th March 2006. p. 1-11.
http://www.ampednews.com/features/182/2/

Plaza, Amadeo (2006) A salute to Japanese game designers. AmpedNews. Amped News Network. February 6th 2006. p. 1-2.
http://www.ampednews.com/features/182/2/

Regarding Steven Spielberg, I have not been able to find anything credible published saying he has AS or speculating that he has AS. As far as I can tell it is all rumours. I recently had a look at an interview with Spielberg in Rolling Stone magazine in which I think he explained being bullied as a child on his Jewishness, which I didn't think sounded too convincing, but I guess could be true.

My big list (listzilla) can be found here:
http://incorrectpleasures.blogspot.com/2...rtant.html

Some professor who has expertise on autism has written in an essay that Tesla and other famous people "fit current diagnostic criteria" for autism, so I'm going to add the amazing Tesla to my list soon, bringing the number of famous names on it to over 100. Tesla had synaesthesia, and was one of the most interesting people that I've ever read about.


your welcome! Big Grin
sorry i couldn't remeber his name my dad said when i told him that Satoshi Tajiri (i had to paste that Big Grin) had as he said he wasn't suprised that you needed a form of autism to understand it! XD

Batman55 Wrote:

flardox Wrote:
not sure if this is true but i have heard that tim burton and steven spielburg have aspergers i also know that the creator of pokemon is an aspie
these  links might help

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_peo...c_spectrum

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_spec...n_autistic


Personally I do not believe that Steven Spielberg has Asperger's.

I think Tim Burton is very likely, I have seen interviews with him and he has this "self-righteous attitude" that tends to often occur with AS, and esp. the most dedicated/hardworking Aspies.


well i dunno i had heard rumours and just thought i'd say but a friend of mine said he was quite sure of tim burton being an aspie!

Simen Wrote:
How can you be so certain about a man you've never met?


she is certain because he has displayed enough autistic traits to probably be autistic

Simen Wrote:

flardox Wrote:

Simen Wrote:
How can you be so certain about a man you've never met?


she is certain because he has displayed enough autistic traits to probably be autistic


How do you know? I maintain that this amateur distance-diagnosing of famous people is both (1) unprofessional, (2) unfounded, (3) unhelpful and (4) unjustified. We are not qualified to diagnose anyone, let alone someone we have never even met and observed in person. This useless "claiming" of people as "our own" has got to stop.



i could say the smae about your delibrate attempts to annoy people

but it is only an assumption and it doesn't have to stop if they are only saying that they are quite sure of someone having a form of aspergers is that harming anyone?

Simen Wrote:

flardox Wrote:
i could say the smae about your delibrate attempts to annoy people

I never attempt to deliberately annoy people. This is bullshit. Keep on topic; criticize my ideas, not my person.

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but it is only an assumption and it doesn't have to stop if they are only saying that they are quite sure of someone having a form of aspergers is that harming anyone?


As everyone here is fond of reminding us, it can be a burden to carry in today's society. And would you be happy to find a website full of amateurs speculating that you were schizophrenic, psychotic, had Down's, dyslexia, or whatever?

Of course, the same doesn't apply to dead people. But in any case, it's mostly amateurs that have no qualifications to diagnose anyone, doing it on the basis of third-hand information, without ever observing the person or even speaking to someone who did, without ever going through the various methods used to assess whether someone really has AS. It's unprofessional, the claims are unjustified, and it's misleading.


to be perfectly honest sometimes unproffesional speculation can help to an actual diagnosis which is why my grandmother was eventually diagnosed with schizophenia.

this is all just speculation nothing more if you don't like it than don't post

Lili Marlene Wrote:
Simen, I've got a few points to make.

Firstly, every single professional diagnosis of any condition medical disease or whatever, starts with the decision, on the part of the "patient" or that "patient's" parents or carers, to seek a diagnosis of some kind. Very often the "patient" approaches the professional already with a good idea of what the diagnosis will eventually be. I'm sure if you have had any experience of getting a rare or uncommon medical condition properly diagnosed, you will know that you just about need to diagnose yourself to get beyond all the fobbing-off and idiotic misdiagnosis by our friends in the medical profession, to finally find a spcialist who knows their job. I'm sure that a great many adults (especially females) who have been professionally diagnosed in adulthood with AS, have only obtained a correct AS diagnosis as the result of their own tentative self-diagnosis combined with good luck and persistence.

I don't know if you have read much about schizophrenia and the so-called schiziod personality disorders. It's quite clear from what I've read, that people who meet some of the central criteria for AS, and who display no evidence of psychosis, are still, in this day and age, diagnosed as "schiziod" or "schizophrenic", and may even be medicated as such. Have a look at Grinker's book and you'll see what a total F-up the diagnosis of high-functioning autists has been in the past (and probably still is in many places). You might also like to check out this list that I've compiled:
http://incorrectpleasures.blogspot.com/2...ative.html

As you can probably tell, I have no sense of awe at all for the supposed superiority of professional opinion compared to the opinions of well-read, objective, and educated amateurs.

Regarding your protests that we are diagnosing people that we cannot observe, well in the age of almost limitless electronic media access, this is not true. I think someone on this thread wrote that they had observed Tim Burton, I assume in some mass media programme. I'm sure that most famous people have some footage of them that can be viewed in the internet, TV, video-hire, DVD-hire, public libraries (that loan all kinds of stuff) or through purchase of media products. Look at the references section of my list and you can find links to moving images that you can view over the net of Bill Gates rocking and also some of Glenn Gould being Glenn Gould. I've recently realized that a hugely well-known female Australian journalist appears to be AS. I've seen her body language innumerable times on TV over a span of decades, and it's plainly obvious that she has hypertelorism and a monotone voice. A while back I was watching a documentary in which my favourite Australian musician was interviewed, and I couldn't help but notice his utterly deadpan voice and body language (that he has always had) and they way he rocked his way through the interview. Knowing that he has a BIG reputation for behaving in an Aspergian manner, what am I supposed to think?

The DSM does not list all autistic traits, in fact it specifically leaves the neurological and physical aspects of autism out of the diagnostic criteria for AS. Motor clumsiness and sensory oddities are not mentioned in the DSM criteria. I'm sure this is because the DSM is written by psychiatrists, who do not wish to cede any diagnostic territory to neurologists. I believe that it is some of the "neurological" and physical aspects of autism that are the hardest to concoct or misjudge and are the most specific to autism; the sensory hypersensitivity, the odd-sounding voices, the very pedantic or very sloppy verbal pronounciation, the weird body language, the odd posture (which is unchanging), the minor birth defects that are often found, etc. Most of this stuff can clearly be seen or heard through a TV broadcast. Only a professional actor in the same league as Dustin Hoffman could simulate all of this stuff at the same time.

I'm not sure if you have had a look at my big list. Every name on it has been included because some other writer has stated or speculated that the famous person is or was on the spectrum, and quite a few living people who have been reported in the mass media to have been formally diagnosed are also in that list. The big list does not reflect my own personal opinions or speculations. I have another separate list for that stuff, in which I give (most of) my reasons.



i wouldn't bother with him any more i think he got the message

I'd have thought the lack of females is due to a combination of ASDs being more common in males to begin with, and with females' coping and hiding mechanisms leaving many high achieving females undiagnosed.
Interesting...

Simen Wrote:

EvilZakkie Wrote:
As to the diagnosing famous people, that I agree isn't usually very accurate. However, I don't really care - it's a fun parlor game, and should be considered as such.


I get the feeling people are taking it more seriously than they should. If it's just a game and you acknowledge it, I have no trouble with that.


True enough - I think it's tempting to use celebrities as leverage to promote acceptance, but it can also be self-defeating, as the diagnoses can always be challenged.

Presenting it as a list of "possible aspies" is probably acceptable and useful - but defending or stating the diagnoses too strongly can make a person sound a bit too out there.

What does ASC stand for??
BTW Lili Marlene, did it occur to you that H P Lovecraft was VERY likely an aspie? In fact, his life and his works-Especially his writings-have all the charactestics of aspie thinking.Many literary elites look down on him for his excessive pedantism and a total lack of empathy for others evidenced by the absence of character development.
As for Michael Jackson, I have some serious doubts. I'd like to see some evidence of an official (professional)diagnosis of Asperger Syndrome since he is a living person rather than just speculation.

logicalconclusion Wrote:
After all, Aspergers really is "Autistic Psychopathy" a lack of emotions or apathy, of an autistic background.


So I can add "aspies lack emotions" to the growing list of offensive statements you've made.

logicalconclusion Wrote:
logicalconclusion Wrote:
After all, Aspergers really is "Autistic Psychopathy" a lack of emotions or apathy, of an autistic background.


So I can add "aspies lack emotions" to the growing list of offensive statements you've made.

You could save yourself the offense and go and read Hans Aspergers work, Get off my back zakkie. A difference of opinion is one thing, hounding someone is another.

LC


I'm responding to something you said. I don't really care much about the research - Do you, personally, believe that aspies lack emotions?

logicalconclusion Wrote:
On some levels, yes.. at the least a disability to recognize and communicate them...and in a deeper sense yes, aspies have a lower emotive range in many cases.

LC


Then my original comment stands.

Its my understanding that Hilter was (manic-depressive)Bipolar to say the very least.What I often wonder is if he may have been Schizoaffective, which is a hybrid condition of bipolarism combined with paranoid delusions seen in schizophrenia. Nonetheless Im quite certain the man was Not an aspie or anywhere on the spectrum.
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