06-13-2006, 12:42 PM
Yes, you read it - before we can register a charity we need a building, or other premises dedicated entirely to the charity's use.
Any suggestions?
Any suggestions?
06-13-2006, 12:42 PM
06-13-2006, 02:47 PM
I have contacted the charity commission about registering and received this reply:
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Dear Gareth
Thank you for your e-mail.
I would advise that the minimum requirements for registration are that a charity must have one or more of the following:
an income of more than £1000 a year; or
the use or occupation of any land or buildings; or
assets which constitute permanent endowment (ie where there is a restriction on the expenditure of the capital and (normally) only the income can be spent on the charity's purposes).
As such we would be unable to consider registering the charity until such time as one or more of the above minimum requirements are met.
I regret that I can be of no further assistance in this matter.
Kind regards
Thank you for your e-mail.
I would advise that the minimum requirements for registration are that a charity must have one or more of the following:
an income of more than £1000 a year; or
the use or occupation of any land or buildings; or
assets which constitute permanent endowment (ie where there is a restriction on the expenditure of the capital and (normally) only the income can be spent on the charity's purposes).
As such we would be unable to consider registering the charity until such time as one or more of the above minimum requirements are met.
I regret that I can be of no further assistance in this matter.
Kind regards
We are currently investigating setting up an office and making the autfinity project part of AFF.
06-13-2006, 03:34 PM
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I would advise that the minimum requirements for registration are that a charity must have one or more of the following:
an income of more than £1000 a year; or
the use or occupation of any land or buildings; or
assets which constitute permanent endowment (ie where there is a restriction on the expenditure of the capital and (normally) only the income can be spent on the charity's purposes).
an income of more than £1000 a year; or
the use or occupation of any land or buildings; or
assets which constitute permanent endowment (ie where there is a restriction on the expenditure of the capital and (normally) only the income can be spent on the charity's purposes).
So basically if the £1,000 per year can be met the building would not be a requirement
06-13-2006, 06:40 PM
Unfortunately we cannot accept any donations that would equal £1000 or more a year until we have charitable status. The situation is a kind of catch 22.
06-13-2006, 06:45 PM
WTF :S Thats just stupid how exactly can they have that as a criteria for registration if one is not allowed to acheive it.
You sure you would not be allowed to accept donations but would have to register immidiately should the £1,000 limit be exceeded.
You sure you would not be allowed to accept donations but would have to register immidiately should the £1,000 limit be exceeded.
06-13-2006, 07:56 PM
If we were to accept donations at present then those donations would be going to me and Amy and would have 0 legal protections, this is on top of other personal concerns with accepting large sums.
06-13-2006, 09:29 PM
I know about some of the other concerns you have and that I am not sure I can offer any suggestions for.
As for the legal protections there may be ways but consultation with someone who is legally minded might help to determine if this would be legal or not, I was wondering, as a possibility maybe if whoever was to recieve the funds was to write two copies of a signed document detailing that they will accept the funds and for what purpose, also detailing that they should only be used for that purpose or returned to the sender, the person sending the donation could then return one copy countersigned by them with the cheque or something and retain the other which they also sign and date themselves under the reciever. I think such a document would be sufficiantly valid in a small claims court should the person who recieved the funds be found to have missappropriated them, after all a small claims court has a much lower burden of proof than a full criminal court does, and the person claiming would only have to basically show more plausably than the person who recieved the money that the agreement was violated and as such the funds should be returned, I think for such a situation a document like that would be acceptable, in fact a document signed by both parties I think is acceptable as a legally binding contract.
As for the legal protections there may be ways but consultation with someone who is legally minded might help to determine if this would be legal or not, I was wondering, as a possibility maybe if whoever was to recieve the funds was to write two copies of a signed document detailing that they will accept the funds and for what purpose, also detailing that they should only be used for that purpose or returned to the sender, the person sending the donation could then return one copy countersigned by them with the cheque or something and retain the other which they also sign and date themselves under the reciever. I think such a document would be sufficiantly valid in a small claims court should the person who recieved the funds be found to have missappropriated them, after all a small claims court has a much lower burden of proof than a full criminal court does, and the person claiming would only have to basically show more plausably than the person who recieved the money that the agreement was violated and as such the funds should be returned, I think for such a situation a document like that would be acceptable, in fact a document signed by both parties I think is acceptable as a legally binding contract.
06-14-2006, 11:50 AM
We cannot use our home address/property.
06-15-2006, 08:17 AM
I have been reading over the charity commission's site (if you read the first post on this thread, you'll see the mail I received from one of their staff regarding this issue) and I am quite confident that we cannot make £1000/annual (for personal reasons we cannot take donations of that amount).
I am currently investigating renting an office here in which the lease would be registered under AFF's name. I have also begun work on a constitution but may need to seek legal advice on it. Watch this space.....
I am currently investigating renting an office here in which the lease would be registered under AFF's name. I have also begun work on a constitution but may need to seek legal advice on it. Watch this space.....
06-15-2006, 08:24 PM
1 - we can't setup our own country, as I have previously said the only way to do this in today's world is the use of extreme force (on top of that there's not enough advantages compared to the disadvantages of having to build our own healthcare etc)
2 - the point in getting a building is in order to establish a charity, the aim of the charity being to fundraise for the autfinity project, the goal of the autfinity project being to establish a residential and/or holiday facility for autistics on a private patch of land or island - that is the end goal but is years ahead. we are barely starting to enter the initial phase of the project.
2 - the point in getting a building is in order to establish a charity, the aim of the charity being to fundraise for the autfinity project, the goal of the autfinity project being to establish a residential and/or holiday facility for autistics on a private patch of land or island - that is the end goal but is years ahead. we are barely starting to enter the initial phase of the project.
06-16-2006, 04:47 PM
Do you have to own the building? Could someone donate you office space to run your charity from? Some family rented a room for two evenings per week from our church. I understand that the laws there could prevent someone from running a business or charity from their home address or post office box.
06-16-2006, 08:46 PM
No, I am not american. My point was that no nation on the planet will give up their land without military conflict. And it just so happens every spot of land on the planet has been claimed by some nation.
06-16-2006, 09:05 PM
Well I would not say to sit here and say never, that might be over the top, but it would be hard, may be possible if all of the following were true:
a) They see little or no strategic, tactical or economic value in the land in question.
b) The general populace on that land (or in that subjuristiction) were overwhelmingly in favour of independance.
c) They see some value in releasing it, whether this be for some kind of PR, economic or otherwise reasons, in this one can include they got paid enough as a possible reason. Another might be if they determined all the citizens in the area were using more in economic value in their oppinion of public services than was gaining them in taxation or similar making the area a drain on them which would go away should it be independant.
But probably not going to get all of those things to happern, there may also be a chance of it through a very long and carefully planned diplomatic campaign and work, having said that, I would say aspies may not typically be the best at being a political pressure group, to work well some degree of networking and social skills would probably be helpful.
a) They see little or no strategic, tactical or economic value in the land in question.
b) The general populace on that land (or in that subjuristiction) were overwhelmingly in favour of independance.
c) They see some value in releasing it, whether this be for some kind of PR, economic or otherwise reasons, in this one can include they got paid enough as a possible reason. Another might be if they determined all the citizens in the area were using more in economic value in their oppinion of public services than was gaining them in taxation or similar making the area a drain on them which would go away should it be independant.
But probably not going to get all of those things to happern, there may also be a chance of it through a very long and carefully planned diplomatic campaign and work, having said that, I would say aspies may not typically be the best at being a political pressure group, to work well some degree of networking and social skills would probably be helpful.
06-16-2006, 09:48 PM
Still highly doubt that would be enough to get "independance" which is what you earlier said was acheivable, also there are 39,156,600 autistics in the world assuming the 1:166 is roughly correct and that world population estimates at 6,500,000,000 are correct that of course fails to include all undiagnosed who may identify as Autistic who may also be included in the move, if you can name a city big enough go ahead lol.
06-16-2006, 09:57 PM
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As of October 1, 2003 the population of Tokyo was estimated to be 12.369 million, or about 10% of Japan's total population, the largest population of any of the 47 prefectures.
I know it probably went up since then but can't see a newer estimate.