Have you noticed the "professionals" are moving away from the word autistic and now using the term DD - delayed development or something similar. And using that term they are including mental retardation which is non autistic!!
In other words They refuse to believe they are on a spectrum too. Just not our spectrum. Their low functioning members are the mentally retardants. Nopw the high functioning retards as like to call NTs, are subtly trying to undermine our unity.
Perhaps for Aspies with mother tongues that is not english. We could agree on using Esperanto to communicate. It is easyto learn and belongs to no ethnic group whatsoever
Amy How can we unite if we cant communicate?
Stella
you are absolutely right!
and Welcome!!!!
ok
Stella,
I like what you say,. but for the last part. What is stopping NTs knowningly or not claiming to be aspie, advocate peace, love and joy in the face of our eradication? When an aspie equal rights is advocated they claim it is aspie supremacy!!!
One lady who does not post anymore on another board did about 3 , said her bf said he doesnt think aspies should be allowed to talk on the net (!!!) *trolling alert*
If NTs are posing as aspies on the boards dont they have a potential to influence the debate to a position that is disadvantageous to aspies?
hi morgaine
I would respond to you but I dont respond to trolls with an agenda. You try to seem like one thing but you true to aim to shutdown all discussion, The only discussion you want among aspies is the inane moronic discussion that you do on WP
ok
Amy
I will "quit it"". I know that such inane dialogue can be mildly amusing at times. and I know mich enjoys it. Which is really the nicest thing about it !LOL
but it's just getting ridiculous.
yes it is
this is precisely why i don't post on threads like this very often here.
asman, get off my back, would you? i have no argument with you, personally, just a series of questions which, for others' information, have yet to be answered - some of them i see simon baron-cohen also brought up in his email. you think you know me so well, but you have absolutely no idea at all. i refuse to dignify the rest of your post with a reply.
sorry amy, and everyone else, if i sound as though i'm having a go at asman, but i've put up with this elsewhere, and ignored it, but it's just getting ridiculous.
I believe I answered many of questions. What other questions DO you have?
1. The debate here is one about Human Rights - "Equal Rights for Aspies."
i disagree - it's about equality of opportunity, and THAT is where huge strides can be made in making the world more "aspie-friendly". and it starts with education, as do most such things.
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It IS a questions of rights! look at ABA where children are given aversives and treated like the prisoners at ABU Ghraib. They called that a human rights abuse and issue. So why doesnt the same logic apply to ABA?
that is truly the fundamental Question.
nor is it for respect “in spite of” our differences. Rather, what is demanded is respect for ourselves as different.
Stella
Stella
I read your posts and I get all misty in the eyes.
So true stella.
I agree with Lili that this seems quite radical. But I'm not as enthusiastic as others seem to be.
It seems to me that trying to form a single group with people who have autism is misguided, for broadly the same reasons that it would be misguided for people with colorblindness to try to identify themselves in the public perception with people who have complete blindness. There are technical similarities, and both conditions appear on the same spectrum, but the differences make nonsense of the idea.
Think about this
Do people who are deaf, blind , or stutter have a different neurology? are their brains structured differently than the norm as ours is? Do they have different way of relating socially? DO they lack theory of mind?
Maggie
The brains of blind do NOT demostrate the differences as an aspie. they are very different. It terms of "white matter", connectivity, some structure are missing in aspie brains and have different sizes.In fact aspie brains tend to be larger.
I remember that one of the arguements used for the acceptance of homosexuality, was the fact their brains had a chemical difference that influenced their behavior. Now whether true or not , this is important for us. Our brains ARE different, beyond question. This allows us to define ourselves as minority alone
Excerpt from Schafer report
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Thursday, January 27, 2005 Vol. 9 No. 15
LETTERS
More on Autisticism
Once again you have used the term "real autism" to drive a wedge
between those with Asperger's Syndrome and others on the autism spectrum.
Clearly you are ignorant of the very real disabilities inherent in
Asperger's. Yes, there are different variations: hence the term "autism
spectrum disorders." But please note that the term acknowledges the
"disorder" across the "spectrum.
I agree with Sabrina Freeman's letter: The "autism culture" people
are dangerous and wrong. It is your unnecessary editorial comment preceding
her letter with which I take issue. Driving wedges between people with
different manifestations of autism--as your use of the term "real autism"
does--is equally harmful.
- Gary Cox, Parent of a child with Asperger's, Minnesota
Response: My comment about real autism is in reference to the
so-called autistics who have consistently failed to prove who they say they
are, diagnosed with autism. I have always maintained that while autism
defines Asperger's, Asperger's does not define autism. I believe these
people are Asperger’s misrepresenting themselves as indicative of autism.
I intend to do whatever I can to drive a wedge between these imposters
and those with "real" autism which would include honest Asperger’s with
disabilities and not just quirks. For example, one attribute of Asperger’s
can be a profound inability to perceive the emotional aspect of human
communication. Such “blindness” puts one at risk of danger when navigating
social situations. That can only be considered a disability and worthy of
the public’s care and support towards independence -- whether the care is
assistance, accommodation, treatment or cure.
By the way, you might note that these folks in question do not define
themselves as Asperger's in any event, just "autistic". –LS.
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