10-07-2006, 07:00 PM
Those of you who deny those on the spectrum have ever been opressed by the majority, think back to your days in school. I feel that you will soon see where the OP is coming from, if you do that.
10-07-2006, 07:00 PM
12-06-2006, 10:54 PM
Amy Wrote:
1. They are oppressed or persecuted at the hands of a dominant group, and as a result of the power differential that develops, they are disadvantaged, and the dominant group is advantaged.
2. They are distinguished by physical or cultural traits that distinguish them from the dominant group, allowing them to be easily "lumped" together and "placed" is less desirable locations.
3. They are self-conscious, with an idea of one-ness or peoplehood, based upon the perception of common suffering and burdens.
4. Membership is not voluntary, but is instead an ascribed position where the person is born into this status.
5. By choice or necessity, they usually marry within their own group (endogamy). It is by choice to preserve a unique cultural heritage or by necessity because the dominant group scorns or discourages intermarriage.
2. They are distinguished by physical or cultural traits that distinguish them from the dominant group, allowing them to be easily "lumped" together and "placed" is less desirable locations.
3. They are self-conscious, with an idea of one-ness or peoplehood, based upon the perception of common suffering and burdens.
4. Membership is not voluntary, but is instead an ascribed position where the person is born into this status.
5. By choice or necessity, they usually marry within their own group (endogamy). It is by choice to preserve a unique cultural heritage or by necessity because the dominant group scorns or discourages intermarriage.
This seems to make sense, as it doese fit the description of what a cultureal minority is, Amy. wiht luck, and auld father time, we may be victorious someday.
07-31-2007, 07:14 PM
We are above those insignificant humanoids who discriminate us. They should bow down to the superiority of the Aspie/ASD. I am fooled by none of eugenecism and am wise to all their cheap publicity stunts, which they use to cover it up. As long as we resist their malicious propaganda, they will never wipe us out. We are all in our own race and providing there is unity, there will be no genocide against us. Keep batlling against the fascist dictatorship!
07-31-2007, 07:26 PM
fraggle Wrote:
We are above those insignificant humanoids who discriminate us. They should bow down to the superiority of the Aspie/ASD. I am fooled by none of eugenecism and am wise to all their cheap publicity stunts, which they use to cover it up. As long as we resist their malicious propaganda, they will never wipe us out. We are all in our own race and providing there is unity, there will be no genocide against us. Keep batlling against the fascist dictatorship!
*sniff sniff*
Do i detect a whiff of Troll Sweat®?
07-31-2007, 07:48 PM
Troll, indeed -- but thanks, Fraggle-Troll for reviving a great thread. We need to look at the clarity and strength of AFF's original purpose.
Amy, your initial post here was inspired. Beautiful!
And as tp this statement:
I personally don't see the need to separate into sub groups, I don't think it would benefit our cause as a whole at this point in time.
I think its better to be inclusive of all those on the autism spectrum.
Amy, your initial post here was inspired. Beautiful!
And as tp this statement:
Amy Wrote:
I personally don't see the need to separate into sub groups, I don't think it would benefit our cause as a whole at this point in time.
I think its better to be inclusive of all those on the autism spectrum.
...I must say, as a member of the of the Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgendered, Questioning and Queer Community, I totally agree.
08-09-2007, 11:39 PM
fraggle does not seem trollish according to the profile...
08-20-2007, 11:02 PM
I already believed we are a minority group.
However, I don't want as this following...
1. Equal respect - I want equal and not under-deserved unless I committed a crime otherwise.
2. Wrong Pride - I am a normal being but I don't want lack of self-esteem. My only pride is my own good intelligence and knowledge.
3. Conservative funding - I don't want under budget and not over spending for education and job for us.
4. Wrong Law - We don't need another law, we need the Bill of Right OUR law. By following Bill of Right, we don't need specific minority group protection law. We are human as the rest. Any help will be needed will and should be provided via Federal Disability Act.
However, I don't want as this following...
1. Equal respect - I want equal and not under-deserved unless I committed a crime otherwise.
2. Wrong Pride - I am a normal being but I don't want lack of self-esteem. My only pride is my own good intelligence and knowledge.
3. Conservative funding - I don't want under budget and not over spending for education and job for us.
4. Wrong Law - We don't need another law, we need the Bill of Right OUR law. By following Bill of Right, we don't need specific minority group protection law. We are human as the rest. Any help will be needed will and should be provided via Federal Disability Act.
08-20-2007, 11:05 PM
Bopkasen Wrote:
I already believed we are a minority group.
However, I don't want as this following...
1. Equal respect - I want equal and not under-deserved unless I committed a crime otherwise.
2. Wrong Pride - I am a normal being but I don't want lack of self-esteem. My only pride is my own good intelligence and knowledge.
3. Conservative funding - I don't want under budget and not over spending for education and job for us.
4. Wrong Law - We don't need another law, we need the Bill of Right OUR law. By following Bill of Right, we don't need specific minority group protection law. We are human as the rest. Any help will be needed will and should be provided via Federal Disability Act.
However, I don't want as this following...
1. Equal respect - I want equal and not under-deserved unless I committed a crime otherwise.
2. Wrong Pride - I am a normal being but I don't want lack of self-esteem. My only pride is my own good intelligence and knowledge.
3. Conservative funding - I don't want under budget and not over spending for education and job for us.
4. Wrong Law - We don't need another law, we need the Bill of Right OUR law. By following Bill of Right, we don't need specific minority group protection law. We are human as the rest. Any help will be needed will and should be provided via Federal Disability Act.
Respect as every majority people should get not minority. This to clearify what I meant.
08-21-2007, 07:23 PM
Bopkasen Wrote:
Bopkasen Wrote:
4. Wrong Law - We don't need another law, we need the Bill of Right OUR law. By following Bill of Right, we don't need specific minority group protection law. We are human as the rest. Any help will be needed will and should be provided via Federal Disability Act.
Respect as every majority people should get not minority. This to clearify what I meant.
i think someone has forgotten that we are not all in the states...
08-21-2007, 08:09 PM
pikajedi3 Wrote:
Bopkasen Wrote:
Bopkasen Wrote:
4. Wrong Law - We don't need another law, we need the Bill of Right OUR law. By following Bill of Right, we don't need specific minority group protection law. We are human as the rest. Any help will be needed will and should be provided via Federal Disability Act.
Respect as every majority people should get not minority. This to clearify what I meant.
i think someone has forgotten that we are not all in the states...
I know some of you guy live in UK and other countries. However, my viewpoint is very universal beside the Bill of Right which is for US only.
09-06-2007, 03:26 PM
I mentioned this thread to some of my friends who work in the field of disability rights in general. Their veiwpoint was that a minority status would further cause us to become segragated. I did not have time to explain that we are worried about eugenics so I am eager to talk to them when they have more time.
I did mention my fears about eugenics to some friends around the pub. They had two points:
a) Firstly they are convinced that eugenics will only be used for things like heart desease and cistic fibrosis etc.
b) Secoundly they tried to convince me that it wont affect me because I have already been born! (I think that was an NT way of trying to confort me
)
I will keep trying people
I did mention my fears about eugenics to some friends around the pub. They had two points:
a) Firstly they are convinced that eugenics will only be used for things like heart desease and cistic fibrosis etc.
b) Secoundly they tried to convince me that it wont affect me because I have already been born! (I think that was an NT way of trying to confort me
)I will keep trying people
09-14-2007, 10:47 AM
erkolos Wrote:
Too many nots, corrected:
There's no way we can call all autistics not-disabled.
There's no way we can call all autistics not-disabled.
True, it's more correct to say "not always disabling". There's certainly a lot we can gain from looking at the disability movement - like dealing with prejudice, and avoiding "pity" images.
09-14-2007, 03:59 PM
You know, I was listening to NPR yesterday about minitrends and how they influence political parties in the future. Perhaps our little minitrend of us supporting neurodiversity will gain some political ground as well.
09-18-2007, 12:25 PM
The problem is that in the UK, the DDA does not cater as well for people with non-physical disabilities. It says that physical barriers that prevent access are illegal, but not the kind of barriers that are more likely to affect people with non-physical disabilities, such as sensory overload, bullying, discriminatory attitudes etc.
And the Single Equalities Bill, which is planned to replace the DDA is a 'watering down' of the DDA. This will be terrible if it goes ahead, as they are 'watering down' something that is already inadequate.
Under the Single Equalities Bill, someone who, for example was refused a job because of a 'minor' disability (and obviously 'minor' is open to interpretation) would have NO legal protection.
Also, despite much campaigning to have people with AS(D)s put under the exemption clause of the new Mental Health Act, this has not happened, so in theory we could be detained under the Mental Health Act for being autistic, or for acting in a way that others don't understand, even if we are not in any way a danger to anyone or to ourselves.
And the Single Equalities Bill, which is planned to replace the DDA is a 'watering down' of the DDA. This will be terrible if it goes ahead, as they are 'watering down' something that is already inadequate.
Under the Single Equalities Bill, someone who, for example was refused a job because of a 'minor' disability (and obviously 'minor' is open to interpretation) would have NO legal protection.
Also, despite much campaigning to have people with AS(D)s put under the exemption clause of the new Mental Health Act, this has not happened, so in theory we could be detained under the Mental Health Act for being autistic, or for acting in a way that others don't understand, even if we are not in any way a danger to anyone or to ourselves.
01-22-2008, 07:03 PM
perhaps the best time to necro this thread?