Aspies For Freedom

I eat all sorts of meat and I also wear leather, but the fur is a tricky part. I said that I would wear it, but it's hard to get it from a meat animal. However, my example in the other thread of angora is still fur, so I voted that I would wear it.

I eat meat and fish, wear leather shoes and belts. I don't have a leather jacket or fur coat, simply because I prefer things out of polar fleece, and that are rainproof (I hate umbrellas). But I would certainly have no problem wearing a fur if I had to.

Also, if all people decided to be vegetarians, we would soon have a famine. Because a lot of land is fine for grazing, but not for growing things (other than grass that is).  And the only reason we have milk and milk products is, because cows give birth to calves. If all those calves would be allowed to live (especially the bull calves), we'd have a big problem. All those bulls would be a big nuisance, and completely useless.

The same goes for chickens and eggs. When a chicken lays no more eggs, it gets eaten. What should the farmer do with it instead, bury it? What waste! And when they hatch eggs to get more chickens, what will they do with all the roosters, when each farm needs only one?

You can look the same way at sheep and wool (can't have too many rams around).

So, if people would stop using milk, wool, eggs etc., we could get rid of all the domestic animals. But that would result in a terrible, world wide famine. Not to mention incredible unemployment, and sickness.

Anyway, one of my pet peeves, lets not get carried away!

Ursula

Ah, but nothing really is ever wasted.  If I kill an animal for its fur, and leave the rest of its carcass, nature is going to go to town on that carcass, using it as the foundation for another cycle of life.

...and the "BOLOGNA!!!!!!" coming from one's mouth because of the blood.

:!: Mich :?:

i eat meet.  i'm not proud of the things we do to animals, but i still findmeet a esential part of my natural diet.

It concerns me that some animals killed for fur are killed cruelly and that in some places, cats and fluffy dogs are stolen for their fur coats.

I eat meat and fish and would wear leather as the cattle are already going to be killed and nothing should be wasted.

I do eat meat and will wear leather (though I don't do too much of either), but I am against wearing fur because those animals tend to be slaughtered strictly for their pelts and the rest of the animal is simply disposed of. Additionally, though humans originally evolved to wear the hides of other animals we killed (that's why we have little fur ourselves), we have since invented other subsitutes that work as well as or better than fur. On the other hand, science hasn't really come up with a superior substitute for meat yet - even all those fake tofu-meats out nowadays are not true meat replacements in terms of nutrients provided.

I really hate all of those arguments that vegetarians/vegans use like "If you want to eat beef, go kill a cow with your bare hands!". Since when is using devices to aid in the killing of prey unnatural? Humans and our ancestors have been doing it for millions of years. It's how we evolved to hunt - by using our brains instead of our relatively feeble bodies. Plenty of modern animals in addition to humans use weapons to catch and kill prey as well... Chimpanzees use spears to hunt bushbabies, some birds large use thorns to impale grubs inside of logs, sea otters use rocks to break open clams and urchins, and, of course, spiders use silk nets to ensnare flying insects. Why is it that when a human uses tools to help with catching/killing prey, it's considered unnatural?

I eat mostly meat, I am sensorily averse to veg of almost all kinds, although I'l eat mashed potato in cottage pie, and use onion/garlic to flavour dishes, I don't eat the actual pieces of it in the meal though, just use it during cooking to add flavour.

Without meat I'd probably be eating a nutritionally very deficient diet.

I wear leather almost all the time, atm I'm wearing a leather trenchcoat, spiked collar and spiked wristbands, all leather, there isn't really a satisfactory alternative available for goth-wear of that kind, leather looks, feels, and smells right, and of course, the thick leather used in my wristbands and collars means they will survive a lot better than plastic ones.

I did buy a rubberised plastic spiked neck collar once, and it died on me within a month or two, most of the spikes fell out first, then it just eroded away bit by bit.

I have no aversion on principle to wearing fur from animals that are to die anyway for food, but such aren't common, I would on principle, wear fur that is shorn from living animals like wool, alpaca etc, but I find them very uncomfortable, so I don't actually wear any, or indeed own any.

I have no tolerance or sympathy for any of these shitbags that think crocodile skin, cat skins, dog skins etc are the height of fashion, and if I ever met someone with snakeskin clothing (the skins are often torn off living animals that are then left to die in pain over long periods of time), I think I would have a hard time reining in the desire to skin THEM alive, and make a trenchcoat of their skin.

I agree, there are some things that can really only be made in leather as other materials are just not durable enough. People who take hids or fur off animals that are still alive deserve to be flung into the pit of eternal stench or something equally nasty.

I eat cow, pig, and chicken. Although I would, but haven't, eaten much fish or game.

I have leather things, such as a belt, purse, and some people have leather couches and car seats.

I would only use fur if I used the rest of it's body for meat. If I just killed an animal for fur and left the meat to waste then thats wasteful. But I never worn real fur before, I like fake fur.

We took our older three to a  farm 'open day' when they were little. I am afraid that, with my usual aspie logic and bluntness I might have offended some bystanders when we came to the bullocks.

One of the children asked me if they were the cows that we got milk from. I answered no, cows are female, and these animals were male and therefore the ones we got our beefburgers from.

Of course, they asked how - so I proceeded to tell them.

When I got funny looks I just said that I don't believe in lying to people just because they are children.

Little people aren't squeamish until they are much older and have picked up that attitude from others. One son is now vegan and my daughter is vegetarian - but they each made their choice as an informed one, well thought-out and not just as a 'yuck' response.

I buy free-range eggs and chickens from a farm that I have seen where the chooks literally roam free in the pastures.

Chickens raised for meat are slaughtered before they are two months old. They are specially bred to grow extraordinarily fast. Egg-layers are, as Natalie says, slaughtered for pet food and processed 'chicken' products such as pies and soup. If they were killed at older than a year I believe that they could not be legally described as 'chicken' but as 'hen-meat'. But please correct me if I am wrong.

I rarely eat beef now I'm in Australia. Kangaroo is a much healthier and environmentally better alternative.

What a waste! I would have thought they'd have been reared for meat if nothing else. I guess much of the problem is you only need one rooster per 10 or more hens; otherwise the roosters fight.

I eat meat, and wear leather because it's taken from animals that provide meat. Wool and other natural fibers are also fine because they're only hair that is combed or shorn off. I also eat fish, but the main thing I want to be sure is that the animal is dead before it gets cooked.

I hate meat *blargh!* and prefer vegetables.

3 oz. is rather a paltry serving, especially for women who need the iron. If I want to have more and I can afford it, I certainly will. If there's anything that really irritates me, it is diet nazis.