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Wow, really cool work Smile
I think it depends on a wide variety of things. First of all I would need some money to donate in the first place. Second, I have a few suggestions and in general we would need a meeting to discuss exactly how things would work. I would also like something along the lines of a newspaper or school to run. Along with that, I do like very loose, liberatarian restrictions on the people. I'm one of those people that is for military formations being put in newspapers. Along with that, I want the island to be a general good example of liberal policies being implimented in the rest of the world(i.e good environment, no FCC things at all). Those are just my ideas. I would like a few of them to be put in place if I were to donate money. Still an idea in it's infancy though, so I might do some more thinking. I can also draw up some plans for an island on Roller Coaster Tycoon. It has a good landscaping tool that I'm fairly familiar with, so I can draw some things up.
I got a theory of how to build an island for very little money. It involuves using Pykrete as I earlier talked about. Pykrete is ice with wood pulp or sawdust in it; these act as aggregates, like in concrete. The water is free and sawdust is not likely to cost much. Pykrete is more resisant to melting than ice, though it still melts. Large size along with insolation (which would need a second water proof layer) would stop this. The main problems would be that we would have to have volunteers to make it, and we could only make it in winter.

Buying an island would be easier, and my idea might have problem that I don't know about (I am more theoritical than practical).

Logical paradox Wrote:
I got a theory of how to build an island for very little money. It involuves using Pykrete as I earlier talked about. Pykrete is ice with wood pulp or sawdust in it; these act as aggregates, like in concrete. The water is free and sawdust is not likely to cost much. Pykrete is more resisant to melting than ice, though it still melts. Large size along with insolation (which would need a second water proof layer) would stop this. The main problems would be that we would have to have volunteers to make it, and we could only make it in winter.

Buying an island would be easier, and my idea might have problem that I don't know about (I am more theoritical than practical).

No, you could easily make it in summer. It is also very slow to melt, but we would still have to bring it up to someplace below freezing eventually to get it back to form. There are several problems with the idea, including the fact that ice is rather slippery and putting something on it might cause a collapse. Also, humidity might be strange. But it could work.

Gareth Wrote:
Those who have voted no i'd be interested in hearing from the reason why.


You have to have extra money to donate money.

It would cost a lot to go to an island like that.  How many of us could actually afford to go on holiday or buy a home there?

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I would love to go on holiday someplace where the waitresses, hotel clerks, and shopkeepers didn't chatter constantly and try to engage my attention!


If it's full of Autistics it'll be had to get their attention! And you really wouldn't have to worry about chatter too much.

I must admit from my experience of autscape and I believe this would be a simlar thing just much more long term for residents especially of course is that in such environments Autistics do actually chatter much more, I believe it is because the pressure is removed and they can just talk and discuss what interests themselves just like they do online but in real life without having to worry about the pressure of social rules and NT interactions.
Might i inquire how you actually go about purchasing an island? Are there estate agents that deal in islands?

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Yes, that is exactly how it works, one such site is http://www.privateislandsonline.com/
How large would this island need to be?
sorry -  I would not give up money unless I was going to live there permanently and work.  

Why would it just be vacations?  I guess there would be the need for permanent staffing?  Would all the staff be aspies?

Wait staff are aspies-  waits for order to be written out, picks up order, returns with food, checks table for napkins, utensils, returns with bill.   Would that be fine?  or just a cafeteria style dining hall?

housekeeping staff are aspies -  guests put up sign on door if they want cleaning or just towels etc.  guests never see housekeeping.

Sweetpea Wrote:
You could always try a grant from the national lottery though aswell.

The national lottery has a history of picking very high profile projects usally ones that benifit people who allready have money and are completely useless unfortunately Sad

I voted no because it's not financially feasible for me to put money into something I'll never be able to get to in my life without winning the lottery.
i voted "it depends" because i would want to be sure that there was real tolerance, not just of AS people (duh) and people in gay and other alternative lifestyles (these have been mentioned already in the plans), but also religious tolerance, even for Christians.  

In my experience (which includes: many of my relatives, public school in the north of USA and several universities in both north and south), liberal implies tolerance of every religion except Bible-based Christianity.  This is not logical.  I do know a few liberals who are actually really open-minded and give my beliefs the same tolerance that I give theirs, but... this is not the most common thing, in my experience.  

I thought Aspie-land would be different, but had an experience of what you could call "christian-bashing" in chat this weekend, that led me to wonder if an Autistic island would really be a safe place for all of us.
I suppose I should have said something at the time, but I have stopped doing religious arguments some years ago when I realized that I had inherited my father's love of arguing, coupled with my mother's lack of talent for arguing, and that this was a disastrous combination.  So I just went silent and disappeared.  
I have seen the same thing happen to various people in other Autistic sites past and present, so ... this is not new.

So anyway, please excuse the long-windedness, but in order to pledge money I would need to know that we would really really have freedom of religion.

Gareth Wrote:
Freedom of religion is always possible. Personally I don't care too much about people's religious beliefs so long as they are not pushing it in my face. If intolerance for your beliefs concerns you I would advise that it is best to keep discussion of religious matters to where it is appropiate. [...] If you do engage in discussion of religion with people who do not share your beliefs then someone is going to end up offended.

I would be interested if you could PM me to describe any problems you had in the chatroom - I did not witness any such problems myself.


As I said, I didn't bring it up... I didn't even participate.

As per your later PM to me, you found the conversation and you can see it just sort of happened, and probably those people were just venting about something that they thought, as their gut feeling, so what can you do?!

anyway, sorry if this was off-topic.  it was just my main reservation... thanks for clarifying.

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