Aspies For Freedom

is autism speaks even know about the theory of mind?  are they this inhuman and cruel to encourage that we are better dead and anyone who kills us is doing the right thing?  this isn't a charity, this is nazism in the 21st century, expect autistics are targeted.

sometimes, i think we are beyond human, becuase of our lack of falling for the emotional tatics and etc, and likely to view others as human.

can we get these sites shut down for crimes against humanity?  we should never celebrate murder.

Great. Let's let incompetent (and possibly bribed) journalists rally the war cry for sympathy for a killer and an end to autism. How long until this guy calls for the resurrection of the frontal lobotomy? It "cured" JFK's sister of her mental retardation...

If this was an NT kid, all of the news reports would be about how horrible a person the mother is, etc. Instead, it seems that if it's a strain, then it's okay to kill the person.

This is just sick.

you should take a look at my family.  we're a stronger family now...autism doesnt mean a living hell for everyone and that without the autistic child, life is better. totally false.

and yes, i have run off a few times in my childhood, most notably once when i was seven and walked to wal mart by myself.  i was looking for my mom, who was shopping there and i wanted some batteries.  well, i almost made it, then my dad caught me.  the next few weeks wasn't enjoyable though.

but if they truly love their children, their family will be stronger becuase of the autistic child and they will love the autsitic child.  i feel for the child that has to go throgh the living hell becuase their parents don't like them.

mr. dugar, me and my family do understand autism and how it effects daily life.  it's a wonderful experince, and not the living hell you proport.  don't tell me that i don't understand it becuase i'm not living a nightmare.  i recommend that your child be taken away becuase of your promotion of a child murderer as a hero.  they should never be heroes...every life is valued, no matter what disablities and ablities they have.  yes, everyone has a disablity...

I'm starting to feel I'm being told, you haven't suffered , you can't suffer, enough to make up for being the evil monster you are. A childhood that left me with post traumatic stress disorder wasn't enough. Besides , the people who physically and emotionally battered me were the victims and I was the abuser. I must never have a significant other relationship because i would do so much harm to the other person. I shouldn't be allowed to be in a human community. I shouldn't be alive. I killed my parents ( taking care of my elderly, ailing mother, at some cost to myself, doesn't count). There would have been nothing wrong with my parents killing me because my life has no value. Would it be acceptable for someone to talk this way about any other group of people? What does anybody have to gain by demonizing us? Other than giving parents and spouses an opportunity to get pity by casting themselves as the innocent victims and us as the evil monsters.Why don't they just kill us and go back to the happy lives they were having before us?

The link seems to be dead.  Do you have another address for it?  I am searching but not finding the video.

I have a dream ... that one day my people will engineer a virus that targets only NT humans ... then we will be free at last, free at last, thank logic and science, we are free at last!

Which is why I think most NTs treat us so badly; they are subconciously terrified of what our intellect could make us capable of.  

Alison

Actually, there was a Texas case (Andrea Yates) that involved 5 murdered NT children and you got the same variety of responses you have here.  Sympathy for the mother who clearly was in a state of psychotic post partum depression, and pure hatred towards her (the later being the most prevalent and reported).

In this case, there is a good chance that the challenges of raising the child had possibly encouraged the development of depression in the mother and it is the depression that caused the mother to think the way she did.  Similar to the way the Texas mom thought she was saving her kids from her bad mothering, this mom thought she was saving her child from her condition.  Either way, it really should be the untreated or undertreated depression that is blamed (assuming I am correct about the mom in the recent case, that she was probably depressed).

I don't know what you all are going to say about my guess the mom in the case was suffering depression with possible connections to the challenges of raising her daughter, but you can't make progress with parents unless you give them credit for the extra challenges raising an autistic child brings.  Excuse to murder?  NO.  Something that is likely to be connected to a higher incidence of depresssion?  YES.  ALL three year olds are challenging, and moms in charge of their care face an inordinate amount of depression.  Add a complicating factor like autism, and the rate of depression is going to go up.  

And with depression can come psychotic illusions.

I hope those supporting this mom on the basis of the autism can challenge themselves to discover and treat their own likely depression.  Yes, that is what I read in their sympathy:  depression.  It's like a worm, connecting poor and destructive ideas between the sufferers.  The kids of these women deserve a mom who can deal with the challenges she faces; depression severely interferes with that.  Been there, done that (been a bad mom because of depression); I do KNOW.

need any help?

Please to read the last line of my post again, guys.  I was making the point that a lot of NTs are scared of us for the POSSIBILITY we represent towards them, not for what we would or would not personally do.  Sorry if I phrased it clumsily.  I for one would really miss Vernu; I've grown to enjoy his NT idiosyncracies over the years.
Alison

Alison,

Thanks for the clarificaion. My original read of your comment was one of extremely neural-chauvinism, equivalent to that professed by Autism Speaks. I'm not afraid of AS, but I am afraid of genocidal talk.

And speaking of Autism Speaks, I have seen first-hand the danger of the Autism Every Day video.  One of my students is labeled as AS, and a misguided friend sent him the link to view the video.  He appeared in my office the next day extremely shaken, wondering if he put his parents through the same hell that is portrayed in the video. He pointed out (correctly) that the problem with the children in the video isn't autism, but profound MR (which may or may not covary with AS or ASD) and OCD (ditto).

Regardless, the video shook him for several days, and I can tell that he's still depressed by it a week later.  It took reminding him of things that he could do because of his AS that he probably couldn't do as an NT (e.g., spending a day hiking the Appalacian Trail by himself in the rain..my NT brain couldn't handle the solitude, and I envy people who can) to help brighten his spirits.

I'd love for Autism Speaks to see a video of the hurt. Perhaps they'd stop focusing the 'negatives'.  Moreover, the focus on the parents' perceived experiences is really secondary to the experiences of people on the spectrum.

Jeff

Yes thats how my business ideas will gain power ;p provide for the aspie pound..adjust the minds of NT's etc

my mom does not have any limits on where i go as long as i carry my cellphone and leave a note

i agree if we wipe out all nt's then......i love my mom :cry: