Aspies For Freedom

Nobody knows what causes homosexuality... nobody really knows what causes AS, either, except that there's probably a genetic factor. So the connections between them aren't known yet either.

I know that there's a connection between asexuality and AS/autism... but that's to be expected, considering that AS/autism involves social skills deficits, tactile sensitivity, extreme introversion...

I didn't realize that gay Aspies had a problem dating just like straight ones do. I never had any problem fitting in with other asexuals... I guess it's because AS is so common for us. Of course, some asexuals don't date, and those who do look for platonic relationships. It's annoying though, because asexual guys are hard to find, and I'd like to have a decent friendship with a guy who isn't in it for the sex. Just for once.

*sigh*

Oh, before you jump on me, I know there are Aspies who are extroverted Smile

The main point (I feel) that relates to both groups is the fact they are minority groups having to cope in a world that caters to the needs and norms of the majority.

My son is very visibly obviously different. It is his mannerisms, the way he speaks, moves and lack of eye contact. At his new job his mentor went in and spoke to his boss and fellow workers to let them know about his aspergers. This made such a difference. People now seem to be a bit more understanding and they back off. Prior to this at his other job, he was given a hard time because people can see and sense his difference, but they didn't understand. They thought he was weird/ abnormal and as a result he was picked on awfully making it impossible for him to maintain employment.

Tigger_the_Wing Wrote:

It might be generational - each group of women becoming more confident than their mothers as we approach, ever closer, true equality.

Women are becoming men-like ...

... resulting in a social disaster: Men are increasingly depending on viagra in order to turn their eleventh finger into a rigid piston .... (where, up to 50 years ago, such a transformation used to happen in a completely natural way).

Grandfather needed no viagra.
Father needed viagra when he turned 50.
Son needs viagra even at the age of 25.
Grandson will be adding viagra to his breakfast on his 15th birthday.

Where are the bold gentlemen? Where are the humble ladies?
What the hell is benefit of "equality" ??

LoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooL ! (Crazy!)

.... yet i know many cases where this is bloody serious ! (LoL, again!)

Tigger_the_wind,

When a woman wants to have a good time, she simply turns on (mentally only).

A man has to be turned on both mentally and physically. Got it?!?! He needs to transform his eleventh finger into an atomic missile!!

Now, how can a modern western man turn on PHYSICALLY when his wife (or gf) treats him like an equal?
It just doesn't work ... reasons being psychological: For a man to turn on he has to feel "superior" ... a sort of Superman (or Super-Hero) who gets caressed (and thanked) by a desperate lady who would have been locked up in a dungeon by an evil guy and then liberated by, of course, Superman.

Paradoxial as it may sound, EQUALITY IS UNBALANCED ! ! The male has to make a bigger effort (he has to grow his minute pea into The Incredible Hulk)... thus he needs to feel superior, i mean, he needs to feel a sense of bonus-credit.

Alternatively, dear ladies, FORGET HAVING SEX !!
You are just cutting your noses to spite your faces.

I surrender !

Women are impossible to comprehend.

I can relate to and understand gay men better than straight. I cannot say I understand men that well - to join in their conversations (social) is hard when they speak together.
I am more emotionally driven - not quite sure what drives men - my husband is lovely but I think it is that "woman are from venus - men are from mars" thing.

I don't understand why people are saying jean pierre is aspiedr or why they say aspiedr is a troll - I must be missing something here - maybe I need to study this thread more intensely.

Tigger_the_Wing Wrote:

Although since early childhood I always did get on better with males than females, I don't think I will ever go so far as to say that I actually understand another person completely, though. Even the very few people I have met that I have felt are on the same wavelength can surprise me!

I suppose that I get on with other Aspies/Auties best (of either gender, straight or gay); next, nerdish types; next all non-autistic gays; next all other men; last, and not at all, the extreme 'social butterfly' females. I have had next to no understanding of their behaviour and motivations however hard I try - and, believe me, I spent most of my life trying very hard indeed.
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I have never tried to get on with social butterfly types - they wouldn't be interested in me - and they are not the type of person I would want to relate to. Nerds are out as well. I tend to gravitate towards social misfits and very gentle people.

ocampo Wrote:

Lucie, J-P started a lot of nonsense with me on this thread saying that because I'm a female Aspie I can't possibly be gay - Aspies have the 'ultimate male brain' - something that Aspiedr has been going on about in his rants. I told him to go away and do his research before he started telling people what their sexual orientation is. Obviously he has went away and became a doctor in the space of a fortnight. The style of writing is similar and like Tim said, he has a strange time zone for someone in Conneticut.

oh - thanks ocampo - I couldn't follow - I hope my comment didn't seem offensive - I will look back. Warm regards.

The same thought occured to me but I didn't know how to express it.

I guess I will be jumped on here - by the usual people ......
I hold an opinion - I have every right to hold an opinion - just as logical conclusion does. As far as I can tell logical conclusion wants to present and debate his out of the mainstream opinion - I have no problem with that. And if people like tigger want to respond to logical conclusion - great - go for it tigger.

But - here is where I jump into the fire - leave out the personal attack tigger - I hate hate hate to see a person personally attacked for holding a view point. You accused of cowardice in very large letters, you accuse of harranging (sp?) you accuse him of trolling. I believe you are actually enjoying jumping on him - he is allowed a viewpoint - and he is allowed to present it on this forum. Just as you are allowed a view.
But what is not acceptable - is the personal abuse you heap on people - you offend me too often with your posts.

I wait for the personal abuse now to be heaped on me - for daring to express my view point.

Tigger_the_Wing Wrote:

Lucie1 Wrote:

I guess I will be jumped on here - by the usual people ......
I hold an opinion - I have every right to hold an opinion - just as logical conclusion does. As far as I can tell logical conclusion wants to present and debate his out of the mainstream opinion - I have no problem with that. And if people like tigger want to respond to logical conclusion - great - go for it tigger.

But - here is where I jump into the fire - leave out the personal attack tigger - I hate hate hate to see a person personally attacked for holding a view point. You accused of cowardice in very large letters, you accuse of harranging (sp?) you accuse him of trolling. I believe you are actually enjoying jumping on him - he is allowed a viewpoint - and he is allowed to present it on this forum. Just as you are allowed a view.
But what is not acceptable - is the personal abuse you heap on people - you offend me too often with your posts.

What personal attacks, exactly? I didn't say anyone was a coward. I shall explain.

The original was on this thread: Aspies & Autism, a mismatched Affair?

There is a view that, sooner or later, there will be a pre-natal test for autism.

logicalconclusion says that, in order to avoid the abortion of those autistics diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome, Aspies should cease to support other autistics.

I called that tactic cowardice. Not sticking up for people to avoid a similar fate is cowardice.

He called non-aspie autists 'poop smearers'.

logicalconclusion Wrote:

Don't say "If we stand together, we will prevail" or any of that crap, we are talking about people who rip their clothes off and smear poop... who can not talk, people who are seriously DISABLED. If we lump our fortunes together with these people, unborn aspies who will be able to live normal productive as the average person lives (albeit in our aspie manner) will be murdered for no reason whatsoever. Is it fair to show "Autism Speaks" to someone considering terminating an Aspie Life? (Not to say it is fair when considering ending ANYONES life, but surely it is even less accurate when considering aspies.)

THAT is offensive. Will you call him out on that?

I have not once told him not to post - but, just as you have requested of others before, I have asked him to stop being unpleasant to other people. Or did you not actually read his posts, or my responses?

I wasn't offending you - you were not even joining in the debate at the time. I am not going to allow someone to offend others here just in case you find my defense of them offensive.

I did not call him a troll - my actual words were asking him not to turn into a troll:

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Why do you come on to this thread that is for gay Aspies to hang out together, do a bit of gay-bashing and think that you can then say you are 'tired of talking about homosexuality'?

Any more of this and I will conclude that you are a troll.

Just to make this clear - you asked me for a response. This is it. I am not abusing you or anyone else. And I would be grateful if you would stop pretending that there is some kind of gang picking on you just because not everybody here always agrees with you.

I agree you have a right to an opinion, and many here, including me, would be very grateful if you were to post it. You are often very insightful!

So, as this is the Gay and Aspie thread do you think, as logicalconclusion put it, that:

logicalconclusion Wrote:

I do not believe in Homosexuality

Thank you for your post !!!!! I will reevaluate.

I thought he had bailed out of this thread -

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